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BertTuyt
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Re: NNUE

Post by BertTuyt » Sun Apr 11, 2021 17:14

Similar result on my new machine, match running stable with 5.2 - 5.3 GHZ

Kingsrow 1.62 vs Scan_nnue 3.1: 7 wins, 0 losses, 151 draws, 1 unknowns (Elo = 16)

Conditions: 1 minute 75 moves, 1 thread, no pondering, book off, 6p EGDB.

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel core i9 11900K
Hard disc - Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 1 TB
Memory - 128 GB DDR4 3200
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro

Bert
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Krzysztof Grzelak
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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sun Apr 11, 2021 19:01

Kingsrow 1.62 vs Scan_nnue 3.1: 7 wins, 1 losses, 150 draws, 0 unknowns

Conditions: 1 minute 90 moves, 8 thread, pondering - on, book - off, 6p EGDB.

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 2 TB
Memory of frames - 128 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro
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Joost Buijs
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Re: NNUE

Post by Joost Buijs » Sun Apr 11, 2021 19:17

All these results look very similar. It could be that the losses always occur at the same ballot positions, probably a weakness in the network for some particular disk configuration. Training a network is not so easy, after each epoch it behaves totally different, it's a very tedious job to select the one which has the biggest potential.

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Re: NNUE

Post by Sidiki » Sun Apr 11, 2021 22:15

BertTuyt wrote:
Thu Apr 08, 2021 18:45
Sidiki,

apparently your processor does not seem to support avx2, in which case it wont run my implementation of nnue.

Bert
Thanks Bert,

I bought a new core i7 and all is working fine for BMI2 programs for chess and of course Scan_31nnue.
Thanks

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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:49

Kingsrow 1.62 vs Scan_nnue 3.1: 3 wins, 0 losses, 155 draws, 0 unknowns

Conditions: 2 minute 90 moves, 8 thread, pondering - on, book - off, 6p EGDB.

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD 2 TB
Memory of frames - 128 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro
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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Mon Apr 12, 2021 17:42

I am thinking about one question. How can GUI Damage be connected to the Scan 3.1 NNUE engine. I would like to see the speed and variants calculated by the Scan 3.1 NNUE engine.

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Re: NNUE

Post by BertTuyt » Mon Apr 12, 2021 18:19

Krzysztof,

that was also on my to-do list.
I will do my best to solve this for the next weekend.

Bert

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Re: NNUE

Post by Sidiki » Mon Apr 12, 2021 19:16

Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 17:42
I am thinking about one question. How can GUI Damage be connected to the Scan 3.1 NNUE engine. I would like to see the speed and variants calculated by the Scan 3.1 NNUE engine.
Hi Krzysztof,

You can, before Damage Gui's finish for Scan31_nnue.exe, activate évaluation and board in scan.ini to see the speed of the engine.

It will, however, be great with Damage Gui's.

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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Mon Apr 12, 2021 20:40

BertTuyt wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 18:19
Krzysztof,

that was also on my to-do list.
I will do my best to solve this for the next weekend.

Bert
Thank you for your response Bert. I just want to see the engine play and count variants. Sound is also important to me.

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Re: NNUE

Post by BertTuyt » Mon Apr 12, 2021 21:20

I tried to create an out of the box working environment for scan nnue, including the Damage GUI, all correct .ini settings, databases, ...

As i did my best to make it working in a short timeframe, im not 100% if all functions work.
So keep me posted, so i can improve over time.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8ewsr0ggesxj ... Egtja?dl=0

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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Apr 13, 2021 09:15

Thank you Bert. I tested a little. I have a weak nps parameter.

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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Apr 13, 2021 09:47

There is also a problem with the GUI Damage 2021 language.
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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:14

For several years please and nothing changes. Whether you can correct the save game.

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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:31

It does not show the program rating and other data in this pane.
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Re: NNUE

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:13

Bert,
I have a question, how to make the function active "ponder" - "pondering".

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