Flits self-learning mode

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Flits self-learning mode

Post by Sidiki » Tue May 12, 2020 13:55

Hi all,

For those who know it, Flits has a kind of manual self-learning option that permit to adjust his strenght.
I am working on , just add it to flits and you will see the strength.

Actually, the draw rate against Scan and Kingsrow it's around 99.99%. I haven't yet optimized it's for the 2 move ballots.

Sidiki.

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by BertTuyt » Tue May 12, 2020 15:17

In all honesty, I'm totally not aware of a self-learning option in Flits, nor do I believe that Flits would be capable in a draw rate of 99.99% against the most recent versions of Scan and Kingsrow. This value implies at most 1 loss in a 3.move ballot.
My very short summary, totally impossible!

So hope you can provide more proof and details.

Bert

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Sidiki » Tue May 12, 2020 22:08

BertTuyt wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 15:17
In all honesty, I'm totally not aware of a self-learning option in Flits, nor do I believe that Flits would be capable in a draw rate of 99.99% against the most recent versions of Scan and Kingsrow. This value implies at most 1 loss in a 3.move ballot.
My very short summary, totally impossible!

So hope you can provide more proof and details.

Bert
Hi Bert,

You are right, i abused with the words, it's why to be clear, i wrote "à kind of manual self-learning"

So this mean that this work it's done by un humain. I want to ask, i suppose that you have Flits, if it's the case, please, whitout the 2 moves or 3 ballots dxp system, in regular game, in 10 games what's the draw rate of Flits on your computer?

Also, i don't know if it's a bug, but when i run Flits in dxp mode in follower mode against a program by choosing start position, it close the dxp console.

Thank Bert.

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Sidiki » Tue May 12, 2020 22:52

I asked, Just to run a dxp by starting position and post it here. Or i will send you the file to test.

Sidiki.

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by BertTuyt » Tue May 12, 2020 23:00

I don't have Flits on my computer here. But I'm sure Ed has done several tests.
I assume that Flits is 30 - 50 ELO weaker compared with Kingsrow.
But Ed can confirm this.

Bert

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Sidiki » Tue May 12, 2020 23:32

OK, however can i have your mail ?

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Sidiki » Tue May 12, 2020 23:40

Or write me at sidikcoul73@gmail.com

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by BertTuyt » Wed May 13, 2020 11:38

You can find my email address in the Damage GUI, but here it is berttuyt@outlook.com

Bert

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Sidiki » Wed May 13, 2020 13:39

OK, i will write you when i will return at home.

Sidiki.

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by jj » Thu May 14, 2020 12:32

Sidiki wrote:
Tue May 12, 2020 22:08
I want to ask, i suppose that you have Flits, if it's the case, please, whitout the 2 moves or 3 ballots dxp system, in regular game, in 10 games what's the draw rate of Flits on your computer?
It is pointless to speak of the draw rate in 10 games as the number of games is far too low. I played a quick match Maximus-Flits on my laptop, 100 games from the initial position (no ballots), 50/50 white/black, 75 moves in 1 minute. Flits using pondering, Maximus using 4 threads and no pondering. Results from Maximus' point of view: 19 wins, 1 loss, 77 draws, 3 unknown. No doubt Kingsrow will do better. Is this what you mean? (Games with more time will give more draws but Maximus can be set to use more threads and pondering.)

Jan-Jaap

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Ed Gilbert » Thu May 14, 2020 20:46

I played a quick match between kr_hub and flits_hub. Flits_hub is an engine that I got from Klaas Bor. Klaas has adapted Turbo Dambase to use Hub engines, and he wrote a Hub interface to Flits to use for testing. Don't ask me or Klaas for this, he did this as a favor to me, and with Adri V.'s permission, because I helped him interface TDam to kr_hub.

Results:

kr_hub 1.61 vers Flits_hub 3.1

total 0.757 score, 35 games, 18 wins, 0 losses, 17 draws, 0 unk
elo diff 197.5

Match control settings:
75 moves in 1 minute
GAYP start position

Kingsrow settings:
Search threads: 1
egdb: 8 pieces, 6000 mb cache
hashtable: 256 mb
pondering: off
opening book: on, best moves

Flits settings:
egdb: 6 pieces
hashtable: 256 mb
pondering: on

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Thu May 14, 2020 22:58

It is a pity that Adri Vermulen cannot repair the tip database for the program Flits. I wonder if Turbo Dambase also an error with the database tips in the program Flits.

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Thu May 14, 2020 23:01

Ed, I am asking you. How to check if there are errors in the tip database in Flits.

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Ed Gilbert » Thu May 14, 2020 23:41

Ed, I am asking you. How to check if there are errors in the tip database in Flits.
Without any details of how the data is stored in the files, I don't know of any way to check it.

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Re: Flits self-learning mode

Post by Sidiki » Fri May 15, 2020 01:58

BertTuyt wrote:
Wed May 13, 2020 11:38
You can find my email address in the Damage GUI, but here it is berttuyt@outlook.com

Bert
Hi Bert

i sent a mail to Ed, Jan Jaap and you icluding the file.
As mentionned; there's no any intention behind this work, just for fun.

I am waiting for your tests ie Ed, Jaap and you.

Friendly, Sidiki.

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