Damage 15.3

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Yves
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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Yves » Fri Apr 24, 2020 19:30

Hello Bert
Please tell me how to configure Damage 2020 for a single computer tournament with Flits, Kingsrow, Mobydam, Tornado, Truus, Scan.
Sincerely, Yves :)

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Sidiki » Fri Apr 24, 2020 21:32

Yves wrote:
Fri Apr 24, 2020 19:30
Hello Bert
Please tell me how to configure Damage 2020 for a single computer tournament with Flits, Kingsrow, Mobydam, Tornado, Truus, Scan.
Sincerely, Yves :)
Hi Yves,
it's true that i'm not Bert but, i want to know if you are speaking of dxp game against these programs?

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Yves » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:20

Hello Sidiki,
Yes, it's only a DXP tournament. I even forgot Dragon, Edeon.
@+ Yves, :D

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Yves » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:33

It would also be nice if it is possible to use the tournament mod in Damage 2020 but how to configure it? :D

BertTuyt
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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by BertTuyt » Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:30

Yves, the tournament mode in the Damage GUI is not ready.
Background is that there were no other programs which had HUB implemented.
Now the situation is different.

At least Scan and Kingsrow have this protocol.
I'm also working on a Damage HUB version.

When this is ready, I will update the tournament mode in the Damage GUI.
I'm convinced that this will be before September, as I want to test the new Damage engine against the 2 best programs available.

Bert

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Apr 25, 2020 14:24

And the debut book will be available to Damage 15.3.

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Sidiki » Sun Apr 26, 2020 01:31

Yves wrote:
Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:20
Hello Sidiki,
Yes, it's only a DXP tournament. I even forgot Dragon, Edeon.
@+ Yves, :D
Hi Yves,
send me a mail at sidikcoul73@gmail.com, you will install anydesk.
It's not possible to join you by Private message, and i will show you something.

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by BertTuyt » Sun Apr 26, 2020 22:50

Krzysztof, de openings book I can generate when my evaluation and search is more stable, and i have closed the gap a little with Scan and Kingsrow.

For now I hope to get within 10 ELO points (based on a 158 games match 1 Min/75 moves, both 6P DB).
I'm sure it will be almost impossible to come much closer on short notice (think 10 ELO difference is already a good result).

Hereafter I will start with Book generation, based upon drop-out expansion (as invented by Lincke), and to my knowledge also applied by Ed.

Think still enough time till September :D .

Bert

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Fri May 01, 2020 21:19

Thank you for the information Bert.

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by BertTuyt » Sat May 02, 2020 02:46

As shared before it is not easy to quickly close the gap with Scan 3.1 and Kingsrow.

As an example some recent standard match results (from yesterday and today), based upon 158 games at 1 min for 75 moves, all against Scan 3.1
* Both engines 1 core and 6p DB, Scan results 8W, 0L, 150D, 0U, ELO = 18
* Both engines 6 cores and 6p DB, Scan results 4W, 0L, 153D, 1U (did not analyze yet the Unknown), ELO = 9
* Both engines 6 cores, Damage 7p DB, Scan 6p DB, Scan results 2W, 0L, 156D, 0U, ELO = 4

So as expected (within the limited statistics), some improvement when going to higher core count and a 7P DB.
With standard Tournament settings (so > 5 min Game) and 16 Thread-ripper cores, I would be not surprised when all games (within the 158 Games set) are draw.

Bert

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Fri May 22, 2020 17:54

I have to admit that I'd like to test the new version Damage.

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by BertTuyt » Mon May 25, 2020 21:27

I uploaded a new Damage Engine (and weights file).
The GUI was already changed (very small changes to enable Scan) during the weekend.

Krzysztof could you please repeat the test you did (I'm also interested to see if the program runs stable with 16 threads).

Bert

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pxqa6zc8bu5o ... WOqua?dl=0

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed May 27, 2020 13:26

I would like to warmly thank Bert. For the new version of the program. I noticed something strange and I don't know if it should be like that. Please see the entry twice init book.
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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by BertTuyt » Wed May 27, 2020 13:52

I think i know what it is, but will check when im home in the evening.
Think you can test anyway.

Bert

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Re: Damage 15.3

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed May 27, 2020 14:11

I understand and thank you. Please, Bert, what you are asking for.
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