Internet engine matches

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Krzysztof Grzelak
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Mon Jul 02, 2018 07:29

Match KINGSROW - SCAN (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60a vs. Scan 3.0 0 wins,1 losses, 157 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60a x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 256 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 8
Time = 10 Min / 100 Moves


Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 8
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 10 Min / 100 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Jul 03, 2018 07:33

Match KINGSROW - SCAN (3-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60a vs. Scan 3.0 8 wins, 33 losses, 947 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60a x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 32 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 1
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 1
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro
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Krzysztof Grzelak
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Jul 04, 2018 07:14

Match KINGSROW - SCAN (3-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60a vs. Scan 3.0 3 wins, 28 losses, 956 draws, 1 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60a x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 32 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 8
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 8
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Jul 04, 2018 13:12

The test match Dragon - Kingsrow ended with the victory of the Kingsrow program.

Kingsrow 1.60a vs Dragon (64 bit, standaard): 10 wins, 0 losses, 147 draws, 1 unknowns.
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Fri Nov 23, 2018 23:37

Test match Kingsrow - Scan (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60b vs Scan 3.0 1 wins, 4 losses, 153 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60b

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 32 MB
DB cache Size = 10000 MB 8P
Threads = 4
Pondering = Off
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 4
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves



Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel Core I7 2670QM, 2.2GHz
Hard disc - Samsung HM640JJ
Memory of frames - 16 GB DDR3 1333
System - Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Service Pack 1 PL
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Nov 27, 2018 16:23

Match Kingsrow - Scan 10 dxp = 1580 games

Kingsrow 1.60b

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 32 MB
DB cache Size = 10000 MB 8P
Threads = 4
Pondering = Off
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 4
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves


Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel Core I7 2670QM, 2.2GHz
Hard disc - Samsung HM640JJ
Memory of frames - 16 GB DDR3 1333
System - Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Service Pack 1 PL
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Sep 24, 2019 14:00

Match Maximus - Kingsrow (2-move ballots)

Maximus 2.01 - Kingsrow 1.60b 0 wins, 16 losses, 142 draws, 0 unknowns

Maximus 2.01 x64

Opening book = Best Moves
Threads = 1
Pthreads = 1
Pondering = on
Hyper-threading = enable
TT bits = 25
Cache bits = 26
The base ends = 6 Pieces

Time = 10 Min / 75 Moves

Kingsrow 1.60b x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
Threads = 1
Pondering = on
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 10000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces

Time = 10 Min / 75 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel Core i7 870
Hard disc - Samsung 860 Pro SSD 1 TB
Memory of frames - 16 GB DDR3 1333
System - Windows 10 Pro 64 bit PL
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Sep 24, 2019 14:07

Match Maximus - Kingsrow (2-move ballots)

Maximus 2.01 - Kingsrow 1.60b 0 wins, 27 losses, 131 draws, 0 unknowns

Maximus 2.01 x64

Opening book = Best Moves
Threads = 1
Pthreads = 1
Pondering = on
Hyper-threading = enable
TT bits = 25
Cache bits = 26
The base ends = 6 Pieces
Time = 5 Min / 75 Moves

Kingsrow 1.60b x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
Threads = 1
Pondering = on
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 10000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Time = 5 Min / 75 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel Core i7 870
Hard disc - Samsung 860 Pro SSD 1 TB
Memory of frames - 16 GB DDR3 1333
System - Windows 10 Pro 64 bit PL
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Sep 25, 2019 08:43

Match Maximus - Kingsrow (2-move ballots)

Maximus 2.01 - Kingsrow 1.60b 0 wins, 24 losses, 133 draws, 1 unknowns

Maximus 2.01 x64

Opening book = Best Moves
Threads = 1
Pthreads = 1
Pondering = on
Hyper-threading = enable
TT bits = 25
Cache bits = 26
The base ends = 6 Pieces
Time = 3 Min / 75 Moves

Kingsrow 1.60b x64
Opening Book = Best Moves
Threads = 1
Pondering = on
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 10000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Time = 3 Min / 75 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel Core i7 870
Hard disc - Samsung 860 Pro SSD 1 TB
Memory of frames - 16 GB DDR3 1333
System - Windows 10 Pro 64 bit PL
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Sep 25, 2019 08:48

Match Maximus - Kingsrow (2-move ballots)

Maximus 2.01 - Kingsrow 1.60b 2 wins, 32 losses, 123 draws, 1 unknowns

Maximus 2.01 x64

Opening book = Best Moves
Threads = 1
Pthreads = 1
Pondering = on
Hyper-threading = enable
TT bits = 25
Cache bits = 26
The base ends = 6 Pieces
Time = 1 Min / 75 Moves

Kingsrow 1.60b x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
Threads = 1
Pondering = on
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 10000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Time = 1 Min / 75 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - Intel Core i7 870
Hard disc - Samsung 860 Pro SSD 1 TB
Memory of frames - 16 GB DDR3 1333
System - Windows 10 Pro 64 bit PL
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by jj » Wed Sep 25, 2019 15:48

Krzysztof, can you play a match Sjende Blyn vs Scan 3.1?

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Sep 25, 2019 17:32

jj wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 15:48
Krzysztof, can you play a match Sjende Blyn vs Scan 3.1?

Jan-Jaap
I am sorry to write so, but you have to ask the developer of the program Sjende Blyn.

Krzysztof.

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by jj » Wed Sep 25, 2019 17:50

Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 17:32
jj wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 15:48
Krzysztof, can you play a match Sjende Blyn vs Scan 3.1?

Jan-Jaap
I am sorry to write so, but you have to ask the developer of the program Sjende Blyn.

Krzysztof.
Why didn't you ask him? You asked me.

But all right: Jelle, can Krzysztof play a match Sjende Blyn vs Scan 3.1?

Jan-Jaap

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Sep 25, 2019 18:01

jj wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 17:50

Why didn't you ask him? You asked me.

But all right: Jelle, can Krzysztof play a match Sjende Blyn vs Scan 3.1?

Jan-Jaap
I will answer this question in private.

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Sidiki » Thu Sep 26, 2019 08:24

jj wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 17:50
Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 17:32
jj wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 15:48
Krzysztof, can you play a match Sjende Blyn vs Scan 3.1?

Jan-Jaap
I am sorry to write so, but you have to ask the developer of the program Sjende Blyn.

Krzysztof.
Why didn't you ask him? You asked me.

But all right: Jelle, can Krzysztof play a match Sjende Blyn vs Scan 3.1?

Jan-Jaap
Hi Jan-Jaap,
You are right !!!! I think that all of the members of this forum are as a family or friend, i suppose it.
I already asked this question to Krzysztof : NO ANSWER.
And you are the second person.

Some persons among us refuse to share anything. We know that the fact that Ed Gilbert and Bert initiated the match engines on this forum brought so match to all the programs by sharing weakness of strongest parts of the engines, without forget Michel of Dragon ;this was followed by Scan of Fabien that completely share and make free his program and code.

This also brought a huge progress in the world of draughts because many program after this release was improved in strenght.
You, Jan-Jaap accepted to make a Windows version of Maximus and share it with Krzysztof for bring a plus in the last tournament and the world of draughts.

Why some program are so strange, Sjende Blyn, Damy.
Anyone is free to share or don't sell his program. Kingsrow was a selled program, but it's free now. All this to help the draughts world community. I dont ask to everybody to give their programs, so their works and time for free, no. If the owner want to sell or no, it's a legal choice. But when you come in a community and only take all of the others members and refuse to share something, i think that this it's very very very very unkind.

I asked to Jelle 1 or 2 years ago to share or sell me Sjende Blyn to compare with Dragon, Damage, Kingsrow and Scan. The answer was NO.
He however accepted only to share it with Krzysztof for the tournaments with all the updates.
I asked to Krzysztof to share, and the answer was NO again.

A simple dxp game to have also an idea of the strenght of the program is't also forbidden. A very big shame.
So, this is for Krzysztof, have asked to Ed, Bert, Michel, Fabien and Jan-Jaap before making all these dxp games between their programs?

I see that, Bert already gave the answer, there is some tournament programs and match program. The second category are the strongest, and Sjende Blyn it's among the first it's why all this kind of mystery it's done around a match. However, Jelle wrote that a match was done against Scan and finished by draw, we never saw the games.

Sidiki

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