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by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 23:43
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

I still do not believe that there is a huge ELO gain possible beyond Scan / Kingsrow with normal time settings. But advanced approaches like A0, can learn us much about the relevant features (like material value man/king temp, left right balance, game phase) in draughts, which are now (more or less...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 23:42
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

As stated in a previous post, I will do now some tests to measure ELO as a function of games with increased win/loss ratio. I used the same data set, but only used 1 out of X of the draw games. The test now running is with X = 3, so only on out of 3 draws are used, effectively increasing the decisi...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 21:51
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

Cool Rein,
It's so the big difference between A0 and our NN patterns.
If we own the same multi computers than Google we must reach this kind of super draughts program also by self learning renforcement.!?
Thank again..
We are waiting for this evening Damage results.

Sidiki
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 20:47
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

OK, i thought that it's was the same things with the weights. 👍😎
Thank
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 20:19
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

I wanted to know how the strength of the Damage engine scales with the number of learning games used to calculate the weights for the evaluation function. For this purpose I started several 158 game DXP matches, 2 Min/Game. Further settings as mentioned in the first post. For the training set I onl...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 18:20
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

The 4 hours of training for AlphaZero corresponds to about 1700 years of computing on a consumer-grade pc (estimate by the author of Leela-Zero, who managed to get this much resources by crowd-sourcing the computation). Such information should be treated humorously and joyfully, and do not believe ...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 18:19
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

Yes, with resources we can make the impossible. So these 1700 years of computing it's as a kind of database or Just to know what variant it's better.? I think > 90% of the computing time was used to generate self-play games, and the rest of the resources were used to find the optimal weights for th...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 16:52
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

Yes, with resources we can make the impossible. So these 1700 years of computing it's as a kind of database or Just to know what variant it's better.?
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 16:40
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

Rein Halbersma wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 16:32
The 4 hours of training for AlphaZero corresponds to about 1700 years of computing on a consumer-grade pc (estimate by the author of Leela-Zero, who managed to get this much resources by crowd-sourcing the computation).
Awesome,
I understand why A0 it's so strongh. No way 😮😮😮😮😮😮
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 14:52
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

Thank a lot Bert, You answered more that i hoped. It's clear that with the programs that exist in draughts, the strenght is closer of perfection. It's also true that draw are frequently saw into 158 dxp games at the top level. *Like you, in the past, for me Truus was the end point, after Buggy, and ...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 13:54
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

OK Bert , i understand now that it's linked to NN, thank again. So, my Last and not least question for you😎: It question of Damage, what's the advantage to use self learning or learning option ? Because of Alphazero famous games, it's writed that he learned chess in 4 hours of computing. In draughts...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:43
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

Sidiki, Damage (more or less) behaves in a similar way as Scan and Kingsrow. Most likely also comparable with Maximus, but I never tested that program. As with the similar structure of the evaluation the programs are now really fast, and in addition to aggressive pruning all reach significant depth...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:08
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

Very nice Bert, As i saw it you was very busy these last days. So if the result it's for this evening, we are happy and hopefully to see the good result. The fact it's that we learn many things from engines that help us again to perfect our game. Having Damage, Dragon, Kingsrow, Maximus and Scan as ...
by Sidiki
Fri Feb 21, 2020 01:45
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

BertTuyt wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 19:03
Sidiki, the first Damage engine will still be based upon the GUIDE protocol, later i will add a HUB version.

Bert
OK, Bert
Understood, this is already nice, the dxp mode will give us many challenges against Kingsrow, Scan, Dragon and Maximus.
Thank, we are very excited by discover it.

Sidiki
by Sidiki
Thu Feb 20, 2020 17:53
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Damage 15.3
Replies: 48
Views: 836

Re: Damage 15.3

Thank Bert, I know now that Damage reached a high level. 70Mo/s is enough to be like your already said, to the same league that kingsrow and Scan. This is for our Joy. I suppose that the engine will run under Hub. So is't possible to do a 32 bits engine version too, we will run it on Android with ex...