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by Ed Gilbert
Thu Jul 09, 2020 16:01
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: New kingsrow version and DTW database
Replies: 2
Views: 107

New kingsrow version and DTW database

I have released version 1.62 of kingsrow, both hub and UI versions, and a Distance to Win db. When the game position is a win or a loss and in the DTW db, kingsrow will display search results like "white wins in 89 ply". Using it allows kingsrow to play the shortest path to a win. Except for minor U...
by Ed Gilbert
Sat Jun 27, 2020 12:15
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Edeon Sport
Replies: 3
Views: 243

Re: Edeon Sport

Can we see some data please? Play a couple of games and record the search scores from Edeon of each move. Post it here.
by Ed Gilbert
Tue May 26, 2020 17:19
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

I haven't heard Ed say he approved all this. Bert asked me for the code, I gave it to him without any restrictions. If that upset the balance of draughts competition then I am to blame, not Bert. Sure tournaments are fun, but really Fabien has already won, the strongest engines are using his patter...
by Ed Gilbert
Mon May 25, 2020 23:19
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Opening book stats
Replies: 2
Views: 276

Re: Opening book stats

To satisfy some people's curiosity, can you run a test with Flits and the anti-Kingsrow book?
JJ, I have a few other things going on this week so I'm not going to take this on. Anyone with flits can run it though.
by Ed Gilbert
Mon May 25, 2020 19:41
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Opening book stats
Replies: 2
Views: 276

Opening book stats

I was curious to know how much the use of an opening book can affect a match result, so I ran some tests. For the first set of tests, I played 2 matches of kingsrow vs scan, one match with books enabled in both engines, and second match with the kingsrow book disabled, but scan's enabled. The kingsr...
by Ed Gilbert
Sun May 24, 2020 15:33
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

It's not about copying the opening book, it's about countering another program. Suppose Kingsrow were only available from a website, but with HUB or DXP API to play against. And suppose you would mask the response time from book moves to make them look like Kingsrow was actually thinking about each...
by Ed Gilbert
Sun May 24, 2020 13:08
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

Recreating another engine's book from black box reverse engineering seems entirely above board to me. So not looking at the binary files or doing de-compilation, but just playing 1.5M openings and logging when the reply is instant should give you the entire variation tree but without the various ev...
by Ed Gilbert
Sat May 23, 2020 22:29
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

Another reason might be the cognitive load from learning new tools and also the tight coupling of different parts of a software program that is a common pitfall. Take e.g. your own Kingsrow GUI. It looks beautiful and works like a charm, and I have nothing to criticize about it. But I bet now that ...
by Ed Gilbert
Sat May 23, 2020 19:08
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

Well, I see I picked a good day to go kayaking, instead of reading the messages on the Forum :-) Rein, to answer your question about TDam, yes I think Klaas will soon be releasing a version that interfaces to kingsrow-hub. The gradient descent code itself is probably best done using a professional l...
by Ed Gilbert
Thu May 21, 2020 22:35
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

JJ, thank you for your comments. Ed, can you share the results of Kingsrow vs Flits+SidikiBook? Like you, I would be surprised if Flits became very much stronger but why leave it up to speculation? I didn't run the experiment, for several reasons. - I didn't fully understand how to enable and disabl...
by Ed Gilbert
Mon May 18, 2020 23:25
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

I don't fully understand how this book was created, and I'm not sure that I think this is an acceptable thing to do from a "fair competition" point of view. You could probably copy the entire kingsrow opening book off 1.5M positions with a little bit of programming, and use it in another engine. Do ...
by Ed Gilbert
Thu May 14, 2020 23:41
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

Ed, I am asking you. How to check if there are errors in the tip database in Flits.
Without any details of how the data is stored in the files, I don't know of any way to check it.
by Ed Gilbert
Thu May 14, 2020 20:46
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Flits self-learning mode
Replies: 83
Views: 3599

Re: Flits self-learning mode

I played a quick match between kr_hub and flits_hub. Flits_hub is an engine that I got from Klaas Bor. Klaas has adapted Turbo Dambase to use Hub engines, and he wrote a Hub interface to Flits to use for testing. Don't ask me or Klaas for this, he did this as a favor to me, and with Adri V.'s permis...
by Ed Gilbert
Mon Apr 06, 2020 13:14
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Internet engine matches
Replies: 470
Views: 164810

Re: Internet engine matches

Ed play through dxp. Don't play through Tmgr. You'll only see differences in results. Doing it with DXP is very tedious. You have to run the scan program, drag its program window to be overlapped with the other scan windows on the desktop, open kingsrow, position is program window, and go through a...
by Ed Gilbert
Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:39
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Internet engine matches
Replies: 470
Views: 164810

Re: Internet engine matches

Kingsrow 1.61 vs. Scan 3.1 0 wins, 0 losses, 158 draws, 0 unknowns Threads = 1 Time = 5 Min / 75 Moves Here are the results of repeating this same match 80 times on a W-3245 @ 3.2 GHz, which took about 4-1/2 days: Match stats Kingsrow 1.61 vs. Scan 3.1 [ 1]: 0.506 score, 790 games, 10 wins, 1 losse...