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by Rein Halbersma
Sat May 01, 2021 11:06
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: NNUE
Replies: 214
Views: 15953

Re: NNUE

Like Alpha Zero you can start with a random network and have the engine play a number of games against itself and update the network on the fly depending upon the outcome of the games. This is called 'reinforcement learning'. The problem with this method is that you have to play a huge number of ga...
by Rein Halbersma
Sat Apr 10, 2021 21:25
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Perft
Replies: 253
Views: 133348

Re: Perft

Perft, on my new PC with an i9-11900K (Rocket Lake) running at 5.3 GHZ. Perft 1. perft(1) N = 9 0.00 sec. KN/sec = 0 perft(2) N = 81 0.00 sec. KN/sec = 0 perft(3) N = 658 0.00 sec. KN/sec = 0 perft(4) N = 4265 0.00 sec. KN/sec = 0 perft(5) N = 27117 0.00 sec. KN/sec = 0 perft(6) N = 167140 0.00 sec...
by Rein Halbersma
Sun Apr 04, 2021 21:28
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: NNUE
Replies: 214
Views: 15953

Re: NNUE

Most recent match with tmgr (the tool developed by Ed). Conditions Scan_31nnue vs Scan_31, played on an Intel Core i7 8700K, 2-move start positions, TC 75 moves in 2 minute , books off, 6-piece dbs, 1 search thread. [ 1]: 0.502 score, 632 games, 6 wins, 3 losses, 623 draws, 0 unk [ 2]: 0.502 score,...
by Rein Halbersma
Fri Mar 05, 2021 22:09
Forum: het Nederlands
Topic: WK-match
Replies: 20
Views: 2693

Re: WK-match

De schaakregel "mat" is een kunstmatige toevoeging aan het schaakspel. Logischer zou zijn dat je de koning gewoon mag slaan, net zoals je bij Stratego de vlag kunt "slaan" (veroveren). Stratego heeft 2 overwinningscondities: de meest bekende is als de vijandelijke vlag wordt geslagen. Maar ook alle...
by Rein Halbersma
Wed Mar 03, 2021 00:25
Forum: het Nederlands
Topic: WK-match
Replies: 20
Views: 2693

Re: WK-match

Maar op het dambord ben ik op 54-jarige leeftijd nog steeds een beginner. Ik kan nog veel leren en juist dat vind ik interessant. Veel schakers zullen dit niet lezen, maar mocht dat het geval zijn, dan kan ik adviseren: ga dammen! Niet alleen is het dammen zelf interessant, maar ook je blik op het ...
by Rein Halbersma
Mon Mar 01, 2021 21:23
Forum: het Nieuwe Forum
Topic: Dammen met Koeperman
Replies: 4
Views: 726

Re: Dammen met Koeperman

Dat was inderdaad al lange tijd bekend. Zie p.21 van Dammen in Opbouw dl.4 (diagram 31). Die reeks boeken zijn trouwens erg goed voor je eerdere vraag over damboeken waarin de aard van het spel aan bod komt (niet geheel onverwacht met top-auteurs als Wiersma, Scholma en V.d. Kooij).
by Rein Halbersma
Fri Feb 19, 2021 11:45
Forum: het Nieuwe Forum
Topic: Nieuwe damboeken
Replies: 36
Views: 19039

Re: Nieuwe damboeken

Strategie kompas van Kats en de KNDB mappen (vd Wal t/m Hoogland) bieden heel veel spelinzicht en zijn "light" aan variantenbrij.
by Rein Halbersma
Tue Jan 19, 2021 20:09
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Kingsrow - databases
Replies: 23
Views: 2430

Re: Kingsrow - databases

Rein, I assume that at least from a memory point of view the 9p would be doable-ish. My guestimate is that 256 GByte would be sufficient, and at least the Threadripper could address this. Also with Threadripper mother boards with 8 DIMM slots and 32 GByte Dimm seems not to be impossible. Last but n...
by Rein Halbersma
Tue Jan 19, 2021 15:41
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: NNUE
Replies: 214
Views: 15953

Re: NNUE

Rein, interesting posts. I tend to agree that in the end nn or nnue is a better abstraction for an evaluation function. However the current HW (although improving) imposes a too big nps penalty for nnue, which still favors the Scan-like patterns. Im however convinced that the balance will change in...
by Rein Halbersma
Tue Jan 19, 2021 15:30
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Kingsrow - databases
Replies: 23
Views: 2430

Re: Kingsrow - databases

Ok, I did some more calculations. With a 64-core Threadripper (~$4K) and leading squares indexing, you can do 9 pieces in 90 days and 192 Gb of RAM. You can also do 10 pieces in 2 years and 640 Gb of RAM. All assuming that a threadripper core is pound for pound the equivalent of a Xeon core. If that...
by Rein Halbersma
Tue Jan 19, 2021 15:22
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Kingsrow - databases
Replies: 23
Views: 2430

Re: Kingsrow - databases

Rein, I assume that at least from a memory point of view the 9p would be doable-ish. My guestimate is that 256 GByte would be sufficient, and at least the Threadripper could address this. Also with Threadripper mother boards with 8 DIMM slots and 32 GByte Dimm seems not to be impossible. Last but n...
by Rein Halbersma
Tue Jan 19, 2021 15:13
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Kingsrow - databases
Replies: 23
Views: 2430

Re: Kingsrow - databases

I wonder over something like that.I just don't know anything about it.Is there any online service - rent a supercomputer to do it, for example, in three months. Of course: https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/ For the peak memory load you want r5b.24xlarge with 96 cores and 768 Gb RAM which...
by Rein Halbersma
Tue Jan 19, 2021 14:03
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: NNUE
Replies: 214
Views: 15953

Re: NNUE

Krzysztof, the test from Ed, and also my test made clear that Scan is still better than Scan nnue. As we only start to digging into nnue, there is room for improvement. I personally don't believe we will surpass (with all other boundary conditions the same) Scan. But at which speed we will improve ...
by Rein Halbersma
Tue Jan 19, 2021 13:55
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: NNUE
Replies: 214
Views: 15953

Re: NNUE

The W-3245 CPU is 3.2 GHz, 16 cores. Yes, certainly it is stronger than many programs that Krzysztof runs in his tournaments. Of course a big part of that is that it has the scan search, which is very good, perhaps the best of all draughts programs. As to whether it can eventually do as well as pat...
by Rein Halbersma
Tue Jan 19, 2021 13:07
Forum: Draughts, Computer, Internet
Topic: Kingsrow - databases
Replies: 23
Views: 2430

Re: Kingsrow - databases

IIRC, the 10-pc dbs are in the same ballpark as the chess 7-pc dbs. One key bottleneck would be generating the 5v5 kings sub db, which has 2.6 trillion (10^12) positions. That requires 640+Gb of RAM with 2 bits per position for a single side to move. For 6v4 kings you need at least 1 Tb of RAM. Tha...