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 Post subject: New site BABA SY
PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:48 
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Jacques PERMAL wrote:
Do you want to know more about BABA SY ?

CLICK HERE :

http://dammeur2.free.fr/Baba%20Sy/preface.htm

Thanks to PATRICK KOPP !!!
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Left under Baba Sy in a show-game with then 10 years old
Harm Wiersma, during Brinta-tournament 1963.


PATRICK KOPP from France, on this picture with white in
winning position against Alexandre Savoya, the champion from Lyon,
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has set up a site in memory of the legendary former
World Champion BABA SY from Senegal.

So far there is hardly any text, but one can already find lots of
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WIEGER WESSELINK-applets with games from BABA SY.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 19:33 
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Hans Jansen - Baba Sy, Suikertoernooi, December 27th 1977

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Harm Wiersma - Baba Sy, Sugartournament, December 22nd 1977


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Baba Sy, Suikertoernooi December 22nd 1977

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Baba Sy, December 24th 1975 Suikertoernooi Amsterdam,
during the game with Harm Wiersma


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Harm Wiersma - Baba Sy,
December 24th 1975 Suikertoernooi Amsterdam

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Iser Koeperman - Baba Sy, Suikertoernooi December 26th 1974

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Baba Sy, December 26th 1974 against Koeperman

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Baba Sy, Suikertournament, December 23rd 1974

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Gantwarg - Baba Sy, December 21st 1973

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Baba Sy - Harm Wiersma, Suikertoernooi December 18th 1973

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Baba Sy, December 18th 1973 in Amsterdam against Wiersma

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Baba Sy, Suikertoernooi, December 18th 1973

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Baba Sy - Faal, Suikertoernooi, December 20th 1972

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Anatoli Gantwarg - Baba Sy, Suikertoernooi December 27th 1971

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Ton Sijbrands, Jules Welling and Baba Sy, December 21st 1971

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Baba Sy, December 21st 1971

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Harm Wiersma and Baba Sy, December 29th 1970 in Krasnapolsky;
Wiersma with necklaces from Baba Sy

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Baba Sy selling necklaces, Amsterdam December 29th 1970

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Ton Sijbrands and Baba Sy, December 29th 1970

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Ton Sijbrands - Baba Sy, December 18th 1970

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Baba Sy, 2nd Suiker, December 18th 1970

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Baba Sy, 2nd Suiker, December 18th 1970.

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Baba Sy - Sijbrands, December 18th 1970

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Baba Sy, Brintatournament during a speech, May 9th 1967

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A.M. Kouaté and Baba Sy, January 29th 1962

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A.M. Kouaté and Baba Sy leaving Schiphol Airport, January 29th 1962

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A.M. Kouaté and Baba Sy leaving for Dakar, January 29th 1962

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Kouaté and Baba Sy, January 29th 1962

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Baba Sy, Schiphol, January 29th 1962

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Baba Sy improving the World record simulplay, Den Haag, January 28th 1962

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The Hague, January 28 1962, World record simul Baba Sy

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Baba Sy, Den Haag, January 28th 1962

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Baba Sy and fan, Int. Lucas Bolstournament, Amsterdam, January 2nd 1962.

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Baba Sy, Lucas Bols, January 2nd 1962

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Baba Sy, January 2nd 1962 Amsterdam

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Baba Sy watching Lekkerkerker-Jonkhart,
Amsterdam, January 2nd 1962

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Bakhuizen, Ton Sijbrands and Baba Sy, January 2nd 1962

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Ton Sijbrands (secondant Baba Sy), Geert van Dijk and Baby Sy, January 1st 1962

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Gournier - Baba Sy, Lucas Bolstournament Amsterdam, January 1st 1962.
Ton Sijbrands, 12 years old, is writing for Baba.

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Aeilkema - Geert van Dijk, spectator Baba Sy, December 26th 1961, 1st round Lucas Bolstournament Amsterdam

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Baba Sy and A.M. Kouaté, Amsterdam December 26th 1961

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Baris Dukel, Baba Sy and Slawa Sjtsjogoljev, November 12th 1960

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Sjtsjogoljev, Baba Sy, Koeperman WC 1960 Haarlem, November 12th 1960

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Slawa, Baba and Iser, November 12th 1960

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Koeperman, Sjtsjogoljev, Baba Sy, WC 1960 Haarlem, November 12th 1960

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Baba Sy in Gieten, Drente, during WC 1960. November 7th 1960.

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Baba Sy WC 1960 Amsterdam against Hugo Verpoest

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Baba Sy - Hugo Verpoest, WC 1960 Amsterdam October 14th 1960

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Baba Sy, WC 1960 Amsterdam, 14.10.1960

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Baba Sy, Koeperman, Kaplan, Deslauriers, Dukel, Sen A Kaw,
Town hall Amsterdam October 13th 1960

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Reception WC 1960 in Amsterdam, with a.o. Baba Sy, Koeperman,
Kaplan, Deslauriers, Dukel and Sen A Kaw. October 13th 1960

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Baba Sy - Jan M. Bom, Amsterdam December 28th 1959



Last edited by Hanco Elenbaas on Wed Nov 23, 2005 03:33, edited 2 times in total.

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 Post subject: Baba Sy and chess
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 19:04 
Thank you very much for these wonderful pictures.

I run a 4000-page chess site on Black players and have featured GM N'Diaga Samb on occassion. Looks like I'll do a page on Baba Sy now!

I had heard of Baba Sy from a chess master/ checker expert, Charles Covington.

http://www.thechessdrum.net/talkingdrum/TDmarapr02.html

http://www.thechessdrum.net/drummajors/ ... ngton2.jpg

Of course there is a link between these two board sports and I find the combinations in checkers to be very, very beautiful and original. I'll share the site with him. Thank you!

Daaim Shabazz, The Chess Drum
http://www.thechessdrum.net/
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 Post subject: Re: Baba Sy and chess
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 20:00 
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You're welcome and thank you for your kind words! I will bring you some other pictures from black draughtsplayers next week. I'm curious to see your site!

Ndiaga Samb says that the correct spelling of his name is Ndiaga Samb. Lots of people are writing his name like you do, because they confuse his name with that from the N'Diayes, but Ndiaga of course prefers Ndiaga.

Today is a historic day in The Netherlands! In Moscow an Afro-American became world champion all-round speed skating, the Dutch national folkloristic wintersport. The new world champions name is Shani Davis and the special thing is that for the first time since eightteenhundredsomething it wasn't a white man who became world champion. Shani Davis is from Chicago.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 21:28 
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Camerounese player JEAN-MARC NDJOFANG is joking :

http://www.persmuseum.nl/bastiaanheus/15.html

J.M NDJOFANG is a GMI, one of best player of AFRICA

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Location: ROUEN - NORMANDY
http://rouendames.chez.tiscali.fr/ndjofang.htm

JEAN MARC NDJOFANG after his victory in CANNES 2003.

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 Post subject: Chess and Checkers
PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 23:11 
Thanks for the correction. I've made the changes on the six pages where his name appears.

How is Ndiaga Samb doing these days? Is Baba Sy still living? If so, where does he reside? Tell GM Samb that he now has chess fans!

I'm really intrigued at the world you all are in! Is Ton Sijbands the draught equivalient to our Garry Kasparov?

Players of African descent or Black players have not made the same type of progress in chess and only have one Grandmaster in Maurice Ashley.

http://www.thechessdrum.net/drummajors/M_Ashley.html

However, we have many strong players dispersed throughout the Diaspora including one 23-year old player from Zambia (IM Amon Simutowe)

http://www.thechessdrum.net/talkingdrum/TDsepoct01.html

and one 22-year old player from Sweden (IM-elect Pontus Carlsson)

http://thechessdrum.net/newsbriefs/2004 ... sson3.html.

West Africa is strong is draughts, but very weak in chess. I believe the two phenomena are related. In West Africa, only Nigeria is strong in chess. I think you guys have a monopoly on board sports in that region.

How many draught players compete in chess? We have chess players who play competitive shogi and poker, but who are some noted draught players who play chess?

Thanks.

Daaim Shabazz, The Chess Drum
http://www.thechessdrum.net/
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 23:20 
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NDIAGA SAMB lives in the NETHERLANDS nowadays. He usually plays competitions (teams and individuals) in his "new" country. He won a lot of tournaments in the past. I will indicate the links where you will find more news later.

In 2003 in CANNES (South east of FRANCE) NDIAGA SAMB competed against a software. He lost.

http://www.buggy-online.com/

http://www.buggy-online.com/fran/match_ ... samb_f.htm



BABA SY died unfortunately. We will post more informations about his memory during the next week.

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 Post subject: Chess and Checkers
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Correct URL for Pontus Carlsson

http://thechessdrum.net/newsbriefs/2004 ... sson3.html

I showed the readers of The Chess Drum the beauty of 10X10 draughts with the combination at

http://dammeur2.free.fr/Baba%20Sy/preface.htm

I wrote the following page years ago.

http://www.thechessdrum.net/newsbriefs/ ... ckers.html

I followed the Samb-Buggy match. It was the 2nd of such.

http://www.thechessdrum.net/newsbriefs/ ... -Samb.html

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 09:23 
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Have you ever heard of Carl "Buster" Smith? This American citizen was a legend in Holland during the seventys in which he played against the complete world top and hardly ever lost.

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This picture is from the American website http://checkersusa.com from Symix. There are a lot of pictures from the best Americans on
http://checkersusa.com/checkers/PlayersGallery.htm

Here are some more from Carl Smith, about whom the best draughtsplayers still speak with a lot of respect.

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Carl Buster Smith playing the world champion Andries Andreiko,
Amsterdam Sugartournament December 18th 1970
Behind Andreiko is Ton Sijbrands.

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Carl Buster Smith - Andries Andreiko,
Amsterdam Sugartournament December 18th 1970

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Carl Buster Smith, May 3rd 1972,
Hengelo, world championship, vs Andreiko

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Carl Buster Smith, May 3rd 1972,
Hengelo, world championship, vs Andreiko

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Carl Buster Smith, May 3rd 1972,
Hengelo, world championship, vs Andreiko

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Harm Wiersma - Carl Smith, December 27th 1972
Ton Sijbrands and Jan Metz are watching

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Anatoli Gantwarg - Carl Buster Smith,
Sugartournament, December 28th 1973

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Fidèle Nimbi (Congo) - Carl Smith
World championship Amsterdam 1976
Augustus 19th 1976


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FLAUBERT NDONZI is camerounese player. He played World Championship in the past. He is certainly the 2nd strong player of CAMEROUN after J.M NDJOFANG.

He plays nows in PARIS. He won the ILE DE FRANCE LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP (PARIS AND SUBURB). He won the well-known ARNAUD CORDIER last day of this championship.

More here :

http://ffjd.free.fr/site/competitions/2 ... .php?mzc=3

I don't have photo of him. Perhaps HANCO could post one of him here ?

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Flaubert Ndonzi (Cameroun) vs Johan Koster (Curaçao)

World championship 2001 Moscow




I'm not sure who is better, Léopold Kouogueu or Flaubert Ndonzi.

They finished equal in Moscow 2001 and Kouogueu was before Ndonzi in the last African championship, wasn't he?



http://cf.geocities.com/brabel2/AAFRICA ... rticipants


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In The fascinating World of Draughts, 50 Years World Draughts Federation FMJD from Walter van Beek and Ada Dorgelo there is an article about Baba Sy, written by former World champion Piet Roozenburg. Here it is:

In memoriam Baba Sy (1935-1978)

From the Great Book of Baba Sy by Ton Sijbrands, I quote the "discoverer" of Baba Sy as well as from the -then- President of the FMJD:

"At last, the book with all the games of Baba Sy. The first and greatest African player of his generation, whose great talent allowed him to become the equal of the best draughts players of the world. When I arrived in 1959 in Dakar, Baba Sy was already known as the unchallenged champion of draughts, with football and martial arts the national games of Senegal. He was young and strong. So he had to become well-known beyond his native Senegal. Thus I set out to have him present himself in the French national championship of 1959 in Chatellerault, for the first time in Europe. And so he did! But his true colours as an exceptional talent Baba Sy showed in 1960, when he finished second in the World Championship, between the Russian grandmasters Chtchogoliev and Kuperman. It would be the start of a truly dazzling career.
Beyond the great tournaments Baba Sy had become a true specialist in simultaneous games. In this discipline too he showed all aspects of his great art: quick victories, astonishing combinations against an -at that time- unsurpassed amount of opponents. Baba Sy was loved for his modesty and gentleness, just as he never forgot who helped him to realise the dream of his life. His tragic end was a blow for us all. We are grateful that grandmaster Ton Sijbrands has succeeded in this remembrance of the fantastic talent of Baba Sy, not only for our own joy, but also for that of generations to come."

So far Emile Biscons, national French master.
I, myself wrote at that time: "Thamks to the untiring pioneer work from Benedictus Springer, ex-World Champion, our country could get a first glimpse of the phenomenon of Baba Sy in the Hartevelt tournament. A year before this 'discover' by the Frenchman Biscons, working in Senegal, has astounded the world by winning the French championship as an outsider in one stroke. His comet-like ascent since 1958 climaxed in the Challenge Mondial, which he won in 1962, giving him the right to challenge the reigning world champion, Iser Kuperman for a match on the world title. However, this match did never happen to hitherto undisclosed reasons.
When Baba Sy died in an automobile accident in Dakar in 1978, he left the draughts world a legendary reputation and a wealth of games. In the past, too much valuable material has been lost for posterity, but in the case of Baba Sy we have to thank Biscons and Ton Sijbrands for their efforts to preserve of this wealth. Without any doubt, Sijbrands has set an important and stimulating example for the draughts world.
After the well-publicised but never played match on the world title between Wiersma and Kuperman in 1980, Sijbrands has written that the history of the draughts game is replete with matches never materialised, a statement all the more relevant for Baba Sy, as well as for the draughts history after his death. What Woldouby could not accomplish with his dazzling performance in Paris in 1910, Baba Sy did accomplish: he opened our short-sighted eyes for the hitherto undreamed draughts talents on the continent of Africa.
A quick opening of the African draughts continent followed: the international tournament of Bamako (Mali) in 1980 (won by Ton Sijbrands), the creation of the African Draughts Confederation, the World Championship of 1980 in Bamako, the World Championship of 1984 in Dakar (Senegal) and recently the 1996 World Championship in Abidjan (Ivory Coast). The General Assembly of the World Draughts Association in Dakar has discussed at length the unplayed match Kuperman - Baba Sy, with as eventual result the declaration by the 1986 General Assembly in Groningen (The Netherlands) to allot the title of World Champion posthumously to the legendary Senegalese player, thus closing the book on Baba Sy.
Baba Sy, with his above-mentioned sportivity and gentleness had lots of friends in Europe. In tournaments and simultaneous games, he had made many friends, who will forever remember him. From the time of his first performance in the Netherlands, my wife and I started a lasting friendship with him, and were constantly surprised by his rapid adaptation to new circumstances.
Some facts: on 27 January 1962 Baba Sy put the world record simultaneous games at 150. In the Pulchri studio in The Hague Baba Sy won 112 games, lost 5 with the rest as a draw: an impressive percentage of 85.6 %."


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How did you find this picture Jacques? I was searching for it a long time. It was next to an interview with Jean-Marc in the Amsterdam Newspaper Het Parool in december 2003, but Het Parool didn't publish the picture on their website. I'm glad you found it!


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 Post subject: Re: Chess and Checkers
PostPosted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 12:07 
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chessdrummer wrote:
Thanks for the correction. I've made the changes on the six pages where his name appears.

How is Ndiaga Samb doing these days? Is Baba Sy still living? If so, where does he reside? Tell GM Samb that he now has chess fans!

I didn't see Ndiaga for a long time. Mostly he is travelling. He will be in Cannes, France from February 20th. His residence is Amsterdam. He will be amused when I tell him about your site! You need some pictures from Ndiaga?

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Ndiaga doing a simul in 1991

chessdrummer wrote:
I'm really intrigued at the world you all are in! Is Ton Sijbands the draught equivalient to our Garry Kasparov?


Ton Sijbrands was our world champion in the days of Bobby Fischer, with whom -as a player- he was often compared.


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West Africa is strong is draughts, but very weak in chess. I believe the two phenomena are related. In West Africa, only Nigeria is strong in chess. I think you guys have a monopoly on board sports in that region.

We try to keep it this way.

chessdrummer wrote:
How many draught players compete in chess? We have chess players who play competitive shogi and poker, but who are some noted draught players who play chess?


There are some who play both. Ton Sijbrands happens to be one of them, but according to the stories he's a poor chess player.
The best-known draughtsplayer who also plays chess is Erik Hoeksema, but I think you never heard his name. He will try to improve he world record simultaneous play draughts and chess in coming April during the next Dutch championships in Groningen. The website unfortunately is only in Dutch, http://www.nkdammen2005.nl/ but maybe you can understand a little if you click on Nevenactiviteiten and then on Wereldrecord Simultaan .


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