Partijproblematiek

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Arjen
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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by Arjen » Thu Aug 16, 2018 13:23

TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:Image

Ik stuitte op een aardige studiestand die ik toch maar laat zien.
Er is voor de witspeler één aangewezen zet, maar is het ook genoeg voor de winst?
I (Damy!) don't see any win here.
That's right. After 1.33-29 there are two important variants. 1...12-17 is a losing one, because of a nice Coupe Napoleon. But (unfortunately) black can defend with 1...20-25 2.40-35 12-17 3.29-24 16-21! 4.27x16 18-22 etc. =

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by ildjarn » Sat Aug 18, 2018 15:49

Evgraf Zubov
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Lasst die Maschinen verhungern, Ihr Narren...
Lasst sie verrecken!
Schlagt sie tot -- die Maschinen!

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by TAILLE » Sat Aug 18, 2018 18:55

Arjen wrote:Image
A.T. / 15-08-2018 / 9x9

Ik heb gestoeid met diverse zettingen van dit idee en had daarbij nogal te kampen met wat gevalletjes van bijoplosbaarheid. In de diagramstand kan ik ook de zwarte schijven iets anders neerzetten (7 op 11 en 21 op 16) waarna ik gegarandeerd een kloppende forcing heb. Maar eigenlijk verkies ik liever deze zetting, want de auteursbedoeling is nu meer verborgen en verweven in positiespel van aanval versus omsingeling. Ik weet (nog) niet helemaal zeker of het geheel ook daadwerkelijk 'waterdicht' is... reacties zijn als altijd welkom!
Hi Arjen,

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Isn't it possible to begin with the above diagram and the beautiful 41-36! move ?
Gérard

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by Arjen » Mon Aug 20, 2018 13:22

TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:Image
A.T. / 15-08-2018 / 9x9

Ik heb gestoeid met diverse zettingen van dit idee en had daarbij nogal te kampen met wat gevalletjes van bijoplosbaarheid. In de diagramstand kan ik ook de zwarte schijven iets anders neerzetten (7 op 11 en 21 op 16) waarna ik gegarandeerd een kloppende forcing heb. Maar eigenlijk verkies ik liever deze zetting, want de auteursbedoeling is nu meer verborgen en verweven in positiespel van aanval versus omsingeling. Ik weet (nog) niet helemaal zeker of het geheel ook daadwerkelijk 'waterdicht' is... reacties zijn als altijd welkom!
Hi Arjen,

Image
Isn't it possible to begin with the above diagram and the beautiful 41-36! move ?
Yes, I think it's possible! I didn't see this extension, because it's not really obvious.
Is this setting also possible? I prefer it for aesthetic reasons...

Image

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by TAILLE » Mon Aug 20, 2018 14:32

Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:Image
A.T. / 15-08-2018 / 9x9

Ik heb gestoeid met diverse zettingen van dit idee en had daarbij nogal te kampen met wat gevalletjes van bijoplosbaarheid. In de diagramstand kan ik ook de zwarte schijven iets anders neerzetten (7 op 11 en 21 op 16) waarna ik gegarandeerd een kloppende forcing heb. Maar eigenlijk verkies ik liever deze zetting, want de auteursbedoeling is nu meer verborgen en verweven in positiespel van aanval versus omsingeling. Ik weet (nog) niet helemaal zeker of het geheel ook daadwerkelijk 'waterdicht' is... reacties zijn als altijd welkom!
Hi Arjen,

Image
Isn't it possible to begin with the above diagram and the beautiful 41-36! move ?
Yes, I think it's possible! I didn't see this extension, because it's not really obvious.
Is this setting also possible? I prefer it for aesthetic reasons...

Image
How do you win after 1.41-36 18-22 ?

With my previous proposal it would follow
1.41-36 18-22 2.28-23 22-27 3.23-19 etc.
Gérard

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by Arjen » Mon Aug 20, 2018 16:22

TAILLE wrote:How do you win after 1.41-36 18-22 ?
I'm afraid I can't win...

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What you think of this setting?
There are some nice fake solutions.

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by TAILLE » Mon Aug 20, 2018 16:35

Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:How do you win after 1.41-36 18-22 ?
I'm afraid I can't win...

Image

What you think of this setting?
There are some nice fake solutions.
Something may be wrong because you changed who is to move? Can you verify the setting ?
Gérard

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by Arjen » Mon Aug 20, 2018 16:58

TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:How do you win after 1.41-36 18-22 ?
I'm afraid I can't win...

Image

What you think of this setting?
There are some nice fake solutions.
Something may be wrong because you changed who is to move? Can you verify the setting ?
Image
Black piece on 5, not 10, sorry.

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by TAILLE » Mon Aug 20, 2018 17:57

Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote: I'm afraid I can't win...

Image

What you think of this setting?
There are some nice fake solutions.
Something may be wrong because you changed who is to move? Can you verify the setting ?
Image
Black piece on 5, not 10, sorry.
Of course this position is correct but I confess I do not like it very much : for me the move 40-35 looks quite non interesting because even a weak player will play this move in a real game. I always prefer to be a little surprised by the first move of a problem.
May be you have another idea to add some other moves to reach this new position ?
Gérard

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by Arjen » Wed Aug 22, 2018 20:40

TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote: Something may be wrong because you changed who is to move? Can you verify the setting ?
Image
Black piece on 5, not 10, sorry.
Of course this position is correct but I confess I do not like it very much : for me the move 40-35 looks quite non interesting because even a weak player will play this move in a real game. I always prefer to be a little surprised by the first move of a problem.
May be you have another idea to add some other moves to reach this new position ?
Thanks for your feedback, Gérard. At the moment, I don't have any other ideas... but I will study on it.

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A.T. / 22-08-2018 / 8x8

What about this?

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by TAILLE » Thu Aug 23, 2018 17:28

Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote: Image
Black piece on 5, not 10, sorry.
Of course this position is correct but I confess I do not like it very much : for me the move 40-35 looks quite non interesting because even a weak player will play this move in a real game. I always prefer to be a little surprised by the first move of a problem.
May be you have another idea to add some other moves to reach this new position ?
Thanks for your feedback, Gérard. At the moment, I don't have any other ideas... but I will study on it.

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A.T. / 22-08-2018 / 8x8

What about this?
Nice problem Joost. I like it.
Gérard

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by Edwin Twiest » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:05

TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Of course this position is correct but I confess I do not like it very much : for me the move 40-35 looks quite non interesting because even a weak player will play this move in a real game. I always prefer to be a little surprised by the first move of a problem.
May be you have another idea to add some other moves to reach this new position ?
Thanks for your feedback, Gérard. At the moment, I don't have any other ideas... but I will study on it.

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A.T. / 22-08-2018 / 8x8

What about this?
Nice problem Joost. I like it.

Joost?

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by Arjen » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:31

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A.T. / DP Augustus / 11x11

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by TAILLE » Fri Aug 24, 2018 22:30

Edwin Twiest wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote: Thanks for your feedback, Gérard. At the moment, I don't have any other ideas... but I will study on it.

Image
A.T. / 22-08-2018 / 8x8

What about this?
Nice problem Joost. I like it.

Joost?
Oops, sorry Arjen, I was reading another subject while I answered you.
Gérard

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Re: Partijproblematiek

Post by Arjen » Wed Aug 29, 2018 22:18

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