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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2018 13:23 
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TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
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Ik stuitte op een aardige studiestand die ik toch maar laat zien.
Er is voor de witspeler één aangewezen zet, maar is het ook genoeg voor de winst?


I (Damy!) don't see any win here.

That's right. After 1.33-29 there are two important variants. 1...12-17 is a losing one, because of a nice Coupe Napoleon. But (unfortunately) black can defend with 1...20-25 2.40-35 12-17 3.29-24 16-21! 4.27x16 18-22 etc. =


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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 15:49 
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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2018 18:55 
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Ik heb gestoeid met diverse zettingen van dit idee en had daarbij nogal te kampen met wat gevalletjes van bijoplosbaarheid. In de diagramstand kan ik ook de zwarte schijven iets anders neerzetten (7 op 11 en 21 op 16) waarna ik gegarandeerd een kloppende forcing heb. Maar eigenlijk verkies ik liever deze zetting, want de auteursbedoeling is nu meer verborgen en verweven in positiespel van aanval versus omsingeling. Ik weet (nog) niet helemaal zeker of het geheel ook daadwerkelijk 'waterdicht' is... reacties zijn als altijd welkom!


Hi Arjen,

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Isn't it possible to begin with the above diagram and the beautiful 41-36! move ?

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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 13:22 
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TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
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Ik heb gestoeid met diverse zettingen van dit idee en had daarbij nogal te kampen met wat gevalletjes van bijoplosbaarheid. In de diagramstand kan ik ook de zwarte schijven iets anders neerzetten (7 op 11 en 21 op 16) waarna ik gegarandeerd een kloppende forcing heb. Maar eigenlijk verkies ik liever deze zetting, want de auteursbedoeling is nu meer verborgen en verweven in positiespel van aanval versus omsingeling. Ik weet (nog) niet helemaal zeker of het geheel ook daadwerkelijk 'waterdicht' is... reacties zijn als altijd welkom!


Hi Arjen,

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Isn't it possible to begin with the above diagram and the beautiful 41-36! move ?

Yes, I think it's possible! I didn't see this extension, because it's not really obvious.
Is this setting also possible? I prefer it for aesthetic reasons...

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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 14:32 
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Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
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A.T. / 15-08-2018 / 9x9

Ik heb gestoeid met diverse zettingen van dit idee en had daarbij nogal te kampen met wat gevalletjes van bijoplosbaarheid. In de diagramstand kan ik ook de zwarte schijven iets anders neerzetten (7 op 11 en 21 op 16) waarna ik gegarandeerd een kloppende forcing heb. Maar eigenlijk verkies ik liever deze zetting, want de auteursbedoeling is nu meer verborgen en verweven in positiespel van aanval versus omsingeling. Ik weet (nog) niet helemaal zeker of het geheel ook daadwerkelijk 'waterdicht' is... reacties zijn als altijd welkom!


Hi Arjen,

Image
Isn't it possible to begin with the above diagram and the beautiful 41-36! move ?

Yes, I think it's possible! I didn't see this extension, because it's not really obvious.
Is this setting also possible? I prefer it for aesthetic reasons...

Image


How do you win after 1.41-36 18-22 ?

With my previous proposal it would follow
1.41-36 18-22 2.28-23 22-27 3.23-19 etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 16:22 
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TAILLE wrote:
How do you win after 1.41-36 18-22 ?

I'm afraid I can't win...

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What you think of this setting?
There are some nice fake solutions.


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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 16:35 
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Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
How do you win after 1.41-36 18-22 ?

I'm afraid I can't win...

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What you think of this setting?
There are some nice fake solutions.

Something may be wrong because you changed who is to move? Can you verify the setting ?

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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 16:58 
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TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
How do you win after 1.41-36 18-22 ?

I'm afraid I can't win...

Image

What you think of this setting?
There are some nice fake solutions.

Something may be wrong because you changed who is to move? Can you verify the setting ?

Image
Black piece on 5, not 10, sorry.


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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2018 17:57 
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Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
I'm afraid I can't win...

Image

What you think of this setting?
There are some nice fake solutions.

Something may be wrong because you changed who is to move? Can you verify the setting ?

Image
Black piece on 5, not 10, sorry.


Of course this position is correct but I confess I do not like it very much : for me the move 40-35 looks quite non interesting because even a weak player will play this move in a real game. I always prefer to be a little surprised by the first move of a problem.
May be you have another idea to add some other moves to reach this new position ?

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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2018 20:40 
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TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Something may be wrong because you changed who is to move? Can you verify the setting ?

Image
Black piece on 5, not 10, sorry.


Of course this position is correct but I confess I do not like it very much : for me the move 40-35 looks quite non interesting because even a weak player will play this move in a real game. I always prefer to be a little surprised by the first move of a problem.
May be you have another idea to add some other moves to reach this new position ?

Thanks for your feedback, Gérard. At the moment, I don't have any other ideas... but I will study on it.

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A.T. / 22-08-2018 / 8x8

What about this?


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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2018 17:28 
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Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
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Black piece on 5, not 10, sorry.


Of course this position is correct but I confess I do not like it very much : for me the move 40-35 looks quite non interesting because even a weak player will play this move in a real game. I always prefer to be a little surprised by the first move of a problem.
May be you have another idea to add some other moves to reach this new position ?

Thanks for your feedback, Gérard. At the moment, I don't have any other ideas... but I will study on it.

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A.T. / 22-08-2018 / 8x8

What about this?


Nice problem Joost. I like it.

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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:05 
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TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
TAILLE wrote:

Of course this position is correct but I confess I do not like it very much : for me the move 40-35 looks quite non interesting because even a weak player will play this move in a real game. I always prefer to be a little surprised by the first move of a problem.
May be you have another idea to add some other moves to reach this new position ?

Thanks for your feedback, Gérard. At the moment, I don't have any other ideas... but I will study on it.

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A.T. / 22-08-2018 / 8x8

What about this?


Nice problem Joost. I like it.



Joost?


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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:31 
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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2018 22:30 
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Edwin Twiest wrote:
TAILLE wrote:
Arjen wrote:
Thanks for your feedback, Gérard. At the moment, I don't have any other ideas... but I will study on it.

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A.T. / 22-08-2018 / 8x8

What about this?


Nice problem Joost. I like it.



Joost?


Oops, sorry Arjen, I was reading another subject while I answered you.

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 Post subject: Re: Partijproblematiek
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2018 22:18 
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