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PostPosted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 21:01 
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chessdrummer wrote:
This is wonderful information! It appears that I will have to do more reports. Carl Smith is from my hometown of Chicago!

Here are (The Chess Drum) reports on Ndiaga Samb and the one I just did on Baba Sy. The one of Sy has already received attention from chess players. The dates are included on most of them.

Ndiaga Samb

Is chess king in Africa? No... Africa is home of world's #11 checker player!!
http://www.thechessdrum.net/newsbriefs/ ... ckers.html

International Checkers joins Computer-Human debate!
http://www.thechessdrum.net/newsbriefs/ ... -Samb.html

Senegal's N'Diaga Samb vs. "Buggy" Computer in rematch!
http://www.thechessdrum.net/newsbriefs/ ... -Samb.html

Ancient Chess in Africa!
http://www.thechessdrum.net/historicmom ... oct02.html

The Talking Drum (featuring NM Charles Covington)
http://www.thechessdrum.net/talkingdrum/TDmarapr02.html

Baba Sy

GM Baba Sy: 1st African Checker World Champion
http://www.thechessdrum.net/newsbriefs/ ... abaSy.html


Wonderful job Daaim, thank you! Especially your Baba Sy page is great propaganda for our game.
Maybe you should contact Walter van Beek, he is the Africa-expert in the FMJD-board.


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Very nice job, indeed.

Rashid Nezhmetdinov was strong player in 64 draughts (russian version).
He played final of the championship of Sovjet Union in his time.

The thema of strongest chess players who has interest in draughst and opposite was already many time topic of discussion.

In Holland there is a traditional competition in so called thinktriathlon : bridge, chess, draughts.
Draughts International Grandmaster Ron Heusdens won it many times.

Rashid Nezhmetdinov is one of the best "combination" players.
But the best one is certainly Pierre Ghestem who was World champions draughts, French chess champion and European champion bridge.


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chessdrummer wrote:
This is wonderful information! It appears that I will have to do more reports. Carl Smith is from my hometown of Chicago!



In Turbo Dambase there are 291 games from Carl Smith during the period 1967 - 1991.
Smith played 10 official games with Baba Sy. One time, in December 1974, Smith won, Baba took his revenge in December 1976.
Here is Carl "Buster" Smith's finest moment with his friend Baba Sy.

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Pictures from Patrick Kopp's Official Baba Sy site
http://dammeur2.free.fr/Baba%20Sy/preface.htm


Baba Sy - Carl Smith 0 - 2
Sugartournament
Grand Hotel Krasnapolsky Amsterdam
December 27th 1974


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Carl Buster Smith, May 3rd 1972,
Hengelo, World championship, vs Andreiko



Carl Smith died in his residence Chicago in 1992 when he was 72 years old. Smith was the first American who represented his country during international tournaments. He was a competitor in the World championships in Bolzano 1968, Hengelo 1972 and Amsterdam 1976.
His greatest succes was the tournament in Hoogezand-Sappemeer, The Netherlands, 1977, in which he finished third with 16 points out of 11 games, just one point behind the winning couple Harm Wiersma/Rob Clerc, but before players like Baba Sy, Kaplan, Hans Jansen and Mamina N'Diaye.
(free from Ton Sijbrands magazine Dammen, november 1972)


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Hanco Elenbaas wrote:
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Carl Buster Smith, May 3rd 1972,
Hengelo, World championship, vs Andreiko



Carl Smith died in his residence Chicago in 1992 when he was 72 years old. Smith was the first American who represented his country during international tournaments. He was a competitor in the World championships in Bolzano 1968, Hengelo 1972 and Amsterdam 1976.
His greatest succes was the tournament in Hoogezand-Sappemeer, The Netherlands, 1977, in which he finished third with 16 points out of 11 games, just one point behind the winning couple Harm Wiersma/Rob Clerc, but before players like Baba Sy, Kaplan, Hans Jansen and Mamina N'Diaye.
(from Ton Sijbrands magazine Dammen, november 1992)


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 Post subject: draughts and chess
PostPosted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 13:54 
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:idea: I have a new idea for an essay looking at Black pioneers in both draughts and chess. I believe that seeing these legendary figures are inspiring regardless of which board sport one plays.

However, we have to break up the West African monopoly of draughts! Maybe I will go to Senegal as a chess missionary. :lol: Certainly, I'm joking... both are wonderful sports.

In our sport, both the Chinese and Indians are making tremendous progress and are both becoming top chess nations. India has the #2 player in the world in GM Viswanathan Anand and the Chinese women have won four gold team medals in a row and held the women's world title for a decade until recently (when GM Zhu Chen didn't play for maternity reasons). TheChinese men are near the top ten in the world.

Unfortunately, in Africa (and Black players in general), there is not a strong support for these activities. Federations have done a poor job in marketing chess and it is primarily thought as a game for the European or American male elite intellectuals. We have taken more to checkers-64 in the U.S., but there are no organized activities. I'm not sure where Carl Buster Smith learned draughts in Chicago.

Here's a story from a friend about checkers in Atlanta:

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Sulaiman Smith tells a story of a Senegalese named Mamadou who approached a group of checker players in College Park, Georgia (USA) and asked to play. After the men were completely outclassed by the Senegalese draughts maven, they couldn't believe he was so much better than them! Perhaps Mamadou got his start on the sandy streets of Dakar, Senegal watching older men play the venerable board sport as seen above.

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Some pictures you might use:

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Sierra Leone

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Angola 2000

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Kenya

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Dakar, Senegal, 1999

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Ivory Coast 1991

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http://www.africanfilm.com/damier.htm
Le Damier, Papa National Oyé!
The Draughtsmen Clash
Congo 1996

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Algerian lithography, year unknown

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Ghanese draughts players in The Hague

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"Oware Players" - William Kwamena-Poh

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Chippewa Indians Playing Checkers
by Seth Eastman

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Harry Herman Roseland - Playing Checkers

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Harry Herman Roseland - Playing Checkers

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CHECKERS
in New Orleans

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Dickson Maughn champion of
a tournament in Port-of-Spain, Trinidad,
September 2004
For report see Trinidad Guardian,
http://www.guardian.co.tt/archives/2004 ... orts5.html

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Make your move - Holston

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Marc Simont - Playing checkers in New York's Washington Square Park after dark

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Ndiaga Samb (GMI from Senegal)
Victory in Groningen Rapidnight 1996

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Jean-Marc Ndjofang (GMI from Cameroon)
in 2002's Challenge Mondial (Challengers tournament)
in Yakutia, Siberia

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Jean-Marc Ndjofang - Ndiaga Samb
Delft tournament 2004

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Bassirou Ba (GMI from Senegal)
Amsterdam, December 1975
Bassirou Ba is the ruling Champion of Africa
since 2003 http://cf.geocities.com/brabel2/AAFRICA ... rticipants

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Mamina N'Diaye (GMI from Mali)
Amsterdam, December 1975


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 04:11 
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Wow! Such a wide variety and powerful. West Africa is really a staging ground for strong players.

I am slowly, but surely becoming a propagandist for the FMJD! [img]http://laatste.info/bb3/images/smilies/shrug.gif[/img]

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Jacques PERMAL wrote:
Now, pictures of MAXIME KOUAME (Ivory Coast) and ALAIN TETY (same country) are available. They were taken this sunday during 2nd round of COUPE DE FRANCE 2005 (Teams competition in FRANCE) between PARIS A and ROUEN. This match was played in ROUEN. PARIS A won and advanced to quarter-final.

You can see also NICOLAS GUIBERT who is the 1999 french champion and was the organizer of the two contests between his software BUGGY and the senegalese player NDIAGA SAMB.

More here :

http://rouendames.chez.tiscali.fr/huitiemes.htm


Hey Jacques, how are you? You don't dare to say anything anymore, now that you hit the Jackpot (777)?!?


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 Post subject: Re: draughts and chess
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 00:24 
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chessdrummer wrote:
:idea: I have a new idea for an essay looking at Black pioneers in both draughts and chess. I believe that seeing these legendary figures are inspiring regardless of which board sport one plays.

However, we have to break up the West African monopoly of draughts! Maybe I will go to Senegal as a chess missionary. :lol: Certainly, I'm joking... both are wonderful sports.

In our sport, both the Chinese and Indians are making tremendous progress and are both becoming top chess nations. India has the #2 player in the world in GM Viswanathan Anand and the Chinese women have won four gold team medals in a row and held the women's world title for a decade until recently (when GM Zhu Chen didn't play for maternity reasons). TheChinese men are near the top ten in the world.

Unfortunately, in Africa (and Black players in general), there is not a strong support for these activities. Federations have done a poor job in marketing chess and it is primarily thought as a game for the European or American male elite intellectuals. We have taken more to checkers-64 in the U.S., but there are no organized activities. I'm not sure where Carl Buster Smith learned draughts in Chicago.

Here's a story from a friend about checkers in Atlanta:

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Sulaiman Smith tells a story of a Senegalese named Mamadou who approached a group of checker players in College Park, Georgia (USA) and asked to play. After the men were completely outclassed by the Senegalese draughts maven, they couldn't believe he was so much better than them! Perhaps Mamadou got his start on the sandy streets of Dakar, Senegal watching older men play the venerable board sport as seen above.


The main reason why people are not playing Chess in West Africa is the Islam. Mohamed himself forbade Chess and Backgammon, not Draughts and Checkers, strange enough. Maybe because Draughts and Checkers didn't exist in the days the Koran was written.

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Another, more simple reason why Draughts is King in Africa is that for poor people it's easier to make draughtsmen than chesspieces.

Maybe up to Armageddon FMJD can keep the monopoly in West Africa! :D

This might interest you, it's about chess in Iraq: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=2183


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 Post subject: Chess in West Africa
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 02:23 
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Perhaps that is the understanding they have, but it would not be because chess is forbidden (haram). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never spoke on chess per se, but it is referred to in several hadiths. Of course games with gambling were forbidden and there was an older form of chess that was played with dice. In the recent case of the Iraqi election, it is said Sistani will ban chess, but I'm not certain of the Shia school of thought, but there are no text which prohibit chess specifically.

Some Islamic scholars claim it to be haram, others say that it is only "mukarrah" (not encouraged) while others says that it is accepted (halal) as long as no gambling is involved or such that it does not interfere with prayer.

Actually the form of chess we play today was the successor to the form invented by Indian Muslims and traveled through Persia across the Sahara into Morocco after which the Moors took it into Spain in 711 AD. Along with chess, a form of draughts was played by the Moors. Chess was still called "shatranj" at the time ("chathurangam" in India). When the Moorish empire in Spain fell in 1492, the chess rules were changed and the pieces took on Catholic religious symbology... this fact alone may disturb Muslim clerics today.

Egypt, an Islamic nation, is the strongest African chess nation. Other nations that field Chess Olympiad teams are Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco and others. Saudi Arabia does not, but I can attest that I get several visitors to my chess site from Saudi Arabia. Abu Dubai frequently hold world class tournaments as well as Bahrain. I believe chess may not have taken in West Africa because of the fall of the Moorish empire. Muslim African countries (Senegal and Mali) may have lost the connection to chess with the fall of the Moors. The Senegalese are ancestors to those Moors (Almoravids) who were driven from Spain.

On a simpler note, chess was in competition with draughts and the hugely popular "warri." As you stated, may have been easier to produce the pieces for these games.

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Moors in Castile, 1238 AD

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Moors playing a form of draughts in Algeria 150 years ago.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 03:07 
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chessdrummer wrote:
Perhaps that is the understanding they have, but it would not be because chess is forbidden (haram). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never spoke on chess per se, but it is referred to in several hadiths. Of course games with gambling were forbidden and there was an older form of chess that was played with dice. In the recent case of the Iraqi election, it is said Sistani will ban chess, but I'm not certain of the Shia school of thought, but there are no text which prohibit chess specifically.

Some Islamic scholars claim it to be haram, others say that it is only "mukarrah" (not encouraged) while others says that it is accepted (halal) as long as no gambling is involved or such that it does not interfere with prayer.

Actually the form of chess we play today was the successor to the form invented by Indian Muslims and traveled through Persia across the Sahara into Morocco after which the Moors took it into Spain in 711 AD. Along with chess, a form of draughts was played by the Moors. Chess was still called "shatranj" at the time ("chathurangam" in India). When the Moorish empire in Spain fell in 1492, the chess rules were changed and the pieces took on Catholic religious symbology... this fact alone may disturb Muslim clerics today.

Egypt, an Islamic nation, is the strongest African chess nation. Other nations that field Chess Olympiad teams are Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco and others. Saudi Arabia does not, but I can attest that I get several visitors to my chess site from Saudi Arabia. Abu Dubai frequently hold world class tournaments as well as Bahrain. I believe chess may not have taken in West Africa because of the fall of the Moorish empire. Muslim African countries (Senegal and Mali) may have lost the connection to chess with the fall of the Moors. The Senegalese are ancestors to those Moors (Almoravids) who were driven from Spain.

On a simpler note, chess was in competition with draughts and the hugely popular "warri." As you stated, may have been easier to produce the pieces for these games.

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Moors in Castile, 1238 AD

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Moors playing a form of draughts in Algeria 150 years ago.


Thank you for this article Daaim, you are an excellent writer! I wish we had websites about Draughts like your excellent Chess-, Draughts- and Checkers-site. Probably I am not well-enough-informed concerning the Islam, though it stays strange that there are no Grand Maîtres in Chess in West Africa.

You are a member from the Nation of Islam?

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Moors in Castile, 1238 AD
Before they burnt the chess board?

Excuse me Daayim, I don't wanna be rude,
but when I see the aggression coming from Islam,
I don't see how to avoid all kind of real big conflicts.

And when I hear stories about the prophet Muhammad
murdering 700 jews and left one be alive, a beautiful
young girl, a virgin, and Muhammad (after have given
order to murder all the girls 700 family-members)
wants her to be his bride and have her for the night to
make love with. When I hear these stories I don't think
this Muhammad is a holy man, I more think he is a man
from Babylon, a prophet from Evil, the forces behind
Enki and Enlil.
And I think of Malcolm X and what
he said shortly before he was murdered. He said he wanted
to leave the Nation of Islam, because he had found out that
The Nation of Islam was sponsored by the same organization
that sponsored the Ku Klux Klan.

Strange stories, maybe not true, but I think, true....
Am I wrong?


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 Post subject: Re: Chess in West Africa
PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 04:39 
Hanco Elenbaas wrote:
chessdrummer wrote:
Perhaps that is the understanding they have, but it would not be because chess is forbidden (haram). Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never spoke on chess per se, but it is referred to in several hadiths. Of course games with gambling were forbidden and there was an older form of chess that was played with dice. In the recent case of the Iraqi election, it is said Sistani will ban chess, but I'm not certain of the Shia school of thought, but there are no text which prohibit chess specifically.

Some Islamic scholars claim it to be haram, others say that it is only "mukarrah" (not encouraged) while others says that it is accepted (halal) as long as no gambling is involved or such that it does not interfere with prayer.

Actually the form of chess we play today was the successor to the form invented by Indian Muslims and traveled through Persia across the Sahara into Morocco after which the Moors took it into Spain in 711 AD. Along with chess, a form of draughts was played by the Moors. Chess was still called "shatranj" at the time ("chathurangam" in India). When the Moorish empire in Spain fell in 1492, the chess rules were changed and the pieces took on Catholic religious symbology... this fact alone may disturb Muslim clerics today.

Egypt, an Islamic nation, is the strongest African chess nation. Other nations that field Chess Olympiad teams are Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco and others. Saudi Arabia does not, but I can attest that I get several visitors to my chess site from Saudi Arabia. Abu Dubai frequently hold world class tournaments as well as Bahrain. I believe chess may not have taken in West Africa because of the fall of the Moorish empire. Muslim African countries (Senegal and Mali) may have lost the connection to chess with the fall of the Moors. The Senegalese are ancestors to those Moors (Almoravids) who were driven from Spain.

On a simpler note, chess was in competition with draughts and the hugely popular "warri." As you stated, may have been easier to produce the pieces for these games.

Image
Moors in Castile, 1238 AD

Image
Moors playing a form of draughts in Algeria 150 years ago.


Thank you for this article Daaim, you are an excellent writer! I wish we had websites about Draughts like your excellent Chess-, Draughts- and Checkers-site. Probably I am not well-enough-informed concerning the Islam, though it stays strange that there are no Grand Maîtres in Chess in West Africa.

You are a member from the Nation of Islam?

Image
Moors in Castile, 1238 AD
Before they burnt the chess board?

Excuse me Daayim, I don't wanna be rude,
but when I see the aggression coming from Islam,
I don't see how to avoid all kind of real big conflicts.

And when I hear stories about the prophet Muhammad
murdering 700 jews and left one be alive, a beautiful
young girl, a virgin, and Muhammad (after have given
order to murder all the girls 700 family-members)
wants her to be his bride and have her for the night to
make love with. When I hear these stories I don't think
this Muhammad is a holy man, I more think he is a man
from Babylon, a prophet from Evil, the forces behind
Enki and Enlil, Marduk and Nibiru.
And I think of Malcolm X and what
he said shortly before he was murdered. He said he wanted
to leave the Nation of Islam, because he had found out that
The Nation of Islam was sponsored by the same organization
that sponsored the Ku Klux Klan.

Strange stories, maybe not true, but I think, true....
Am I wrong?


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PAULVIN SIMON and LOUIS GILLES are canadians citizens now. They live in MONTREAL.
They were born in HAITI. They left their country because of economic crisis and political regime.

Pictures of them :

http://www.fqjr.qc.ca/dames/100/panam_2004.html

LOUIS GILLES took the lead after 1st round ROBIN of canadian championship of 144 squares. His current runner-up is PAULVIN SIMON !!

More here :

http://www.fqjr.qc.ca/dames/result/cjdm04_05.txt

2nd round ROBIN is being played now.


We met -in ROUEN- DOMINIQUE HIBON who was born in REUNION island. He lived in MONTREAL past years as a student. And he knew these two big players. He was very impressed by them.

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Djédjé Kouassi (GMI from Ivory Coast) left in 1983, right 2004

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