New site BABA SY

General discussion about draughts and draughts community
Post Reply
govert
Posts: 34
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2003 20:55
Location: Spain
Contact:

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by govert » Sat May 29, 2010 22:40

Un chapitre (# 7), du livre magnifiquement illustré par Govert Westerveld sur Baba Sy, a été completé et peut être lu dans: http://www.damasweb.com/spanish/capitulo7.pdf

Plus d'informations sur les chapitres qui suivent dans:
http://www.damasweb.com/spanish/
Free book of the game and history of checkers & draughts
Libro gratuito sobre el juego y la historia del juego de damas
Livre gratuit sur le jeu et histoire du Jeu de dames
http://www.damasweb.com/dutch/

govert
Posts: 34
Joined: Sun Jan 26, 2003 20:55
Location: Spain
Contact:

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by govert » Sat May 29, 2010 23:00

Un capitolo (# 7), del libro splendidamente illustrato da Govert Westerveld su Baba Sy, è stato completato e può essere letto in: http://www.damasweb.com/spanish/capitulo7.pdf

Ulteriori informazioni sui capitoli:
http://www.damasweb.com/spanish
Free book of the game and history of checkers & draughts
Libro gratuito sobre el juego y la historia del juego de damas
Livre gratuit sur le jeu et histoire du Jeu de dames
http://www.damasweb.com/dutch/

User avatar
Hanco Elenbaas
Posts: 18872
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2003 14:49

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Sun Jul 25, 2010 16:34

Sportpaleis de Jong, april 1998, video by Kees Brouwer.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjgUY57Xv8A[/youtube]
Last edited by Hanco Elenbaas on Sat Oct 15, 2011 06:32, edited 1 time in total.

AngelKill878
Posts: 1
Joined: Mon Aug 30, 2010 04:06
Real name: Alvin Jackson

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by AngelKill878 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 04:34

Hi guys I'm a newbie here and I don't have enough knowledge about this. can you please guide me here guys I see more fun here.
about BABA SY who was that I never heard about him?

User avatar
Hanco Elenbaas
Posts: 18872
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2003 14:49

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Thu Nov 11, 2010 02:51

StevenJ1989 wrote:Baba Sy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Baba Sy (1935-1978) was a Senegalese draughts player and the first world champion from Africa. He is said to have been "discovered" by a French player.... is that true?
Yes, it's true. Monsieur Emile Biscons brought Baba Sy to France in 1959. Baba Sy immediately became champion of France, and qualified for the World championship 1960, in which he finished 2nd, behind Shchogolyev, but before defending champion Kuperman, both from the USSR.

In the video below, from 5:53 Ton Sijbrands is telling a bit about the manuscript Emile Biscons left us on Baba Sy, 'Les Secrets d'un Grand Maître International'.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjgUY57Xv8A[/youtube]
Last edited by Hanco Elenbaas on Sat Oct 15, 2011 06:25, edited 1 time in total.

Rein Halbersma
Posts: 1617
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2004 16:04
Contact:

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Rein Halbersma » Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:39

Hanco Elenbaas wrote:
StevenJ1989 wrote:Baba Sy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Baba Sy (1935-1978) was a Senegalese draughts player and the first world champion from Africa. He is said to have been "discovered" by a French player.... is that true?
Yes, it's true. Monsieur Emile Biscons brought Baba Sy to France in 1959. Baba Sy immediately became champion of France, and qualified for the World championship 1960, in which he finished 2nd, behind Shchogolyev, but before defending champion Kuperman, both from the USSR.

In the video below, from 5:53 Ton Sijbrands is telling a bit about the manuscript Emile Biscons left us on Baba Sy, 'Les Secrets d'un Grand Maître International'.
Devauchelle,B. - Sy,B. Lucas Bols, 27-12-1961
1.31-27 17-21 2.37-31 19-23 3.41-37 14-19 4.33-28 10-14 5.34-30 21-26 6.30-25 11-17 7.27-22 18x27 8.31x11 6x17 9.36-31 12-18 10.31-27 7-12 11.46-41 17-22 12.28x17 12x21 13.39-33 20-24 14.33-28 15-20 15.38-33 5-10 16.43-38 10-15 17.44-39 24-29 18.33x24 20x29 19.49-43 15-20 20.41-36 18-22 21.28x17 21x12 22.39-33 20-24 23.33-28 12-17 24.43-39 17-21 25.40-34 29x40 26.35x44 1-7 27.39-33 14-20 28.25x14 9x20 29.28-22 20-25 30.33-28 3-9 31.37-31 26x37 32.42x31 9-14 33.31-26 7-12 34.26x17 12x21 35.36-31 2-7 36.31-26 7-12 37.26x17 12x21 38.45-40 14-20 39.44-39 24-29 40.39-34 20-24

Image

This diagram appears on the video, and Sijbrands explains that he never quite understood how black managed to win this game. Below a short analysis with the help of Kingsrow.

41.40-35 29x40 42.35x44 25-30 43.47-42 30-35 44.48-43 23-29 45.42-37 24-30 46.50-45 30-34 47.37-31 21-26
Image

White makes a first and immediately fatal mistake here. After 48. 22-17! 26x37 49. 32x41 13-18 50. 41-37 4-9 51. 37-32 9-13 52. 43-39 34x43 53. 38x49 white would have secured a draw. In the game black blocks square <17>, reducing white's left wing to ruins.

48.44-39? 26x37 49.39x30 35x24 50.32x41 8-12! 51.41-37 24-30
Image

Here white could have put up a much stronger defense. Black can then only win with the help of some very non-obvious moves (53... 4-9! and 56.... 30-35!! in variant 2.2.2).
52. 43-39 29-34 53. 39-33 (53. 37-32? 34x43 54. 38x49 30-34!)
1) 53... 30-35? 54. 37-32! (with the threat 22-18 and 32-27=) 12-17 55. 22x11 16x7 56. 27-21 19-24 57. 28-23 13-19 58. 23x14 35-40 59. 33-28 40-44 60. 28-22 44-50 61. 14-10 50x26 62. 10-5 =.
2) 53... 4-9! 54. 37-32 12-18
2.1) 55. 27-21 (the most logical) 16x27 56. 22x31 19-24 (56... 30-35? 57. 33-29!! and 58. 31-27 =) and the threat 30-35-40-44-49 cannot be answered in time.
2.2) 55. 33-29 (still a losing move but with a nasty trick) 34x23 56. 22-17
2.2.1) 56... 30-34? (this seemingly strong move is a draw) 57. 28-22 34-39 58. 45-40 19-24 (58... 23-29? 59. 27-21! =) 59. 17-12!! (59. 27-21? B+) 18x7 60. 22-17 and even with 2 men behind white still obtains a draw.
2.2.2) 56... 30-35!! (delays getting a king but anticipates catching a future white king on 2) 57. 28-22 19-24 58. 17-12 18x7 59. 22-17 13-19 60. 17-11 9-14 61. 11x2 23-28 62 32x23 19x28 63. 2x30 35x24 B+

52.37-31? 29-34! 53.38-32 12-17 54.22x11 16x7 55.27-22 30-35 56.31-27 35-40 57.27-21 40-44 58.21-16 34-39 59.43x34 44-50 0-2
Last edited by Rein Halbersma on Sat Nov 13, 2010 00:44, edited 2 times in total.

Rein Halbersma
Posts: 1617
Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2004 16:04
Contact:

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Rein Halbersma » Fri Nov 12, 2010 15:05

Rein Halbersma wrote: Image

Here white could have put up a much stronger defense. Black can then only win with the help of some very non-obvious moves (53... 4-9! and 56.... 30-35!! in variant 2.2.2).
52. 43-39 29-34 53. 39-33 (53. 37-32? 34x43 54. 38x49 30-34!)
1) 53... 30-35? 54. 37-32! (with the threat 22-18 and 32-27=) 12-17 55. 22x11 16x7 56. 27-21 19-24 57. 28-23 13-19 58. 23x14 35-40 59. 33-28 40-44 60. 28-22 44-50 61. 14-10 50x26 62. 10-5 =.
2) 53... 4-9! 54. 37-32 12-18
2.1) 55. 27-21 (the most logical) 16x27 56. 22x31 19-24 (56... 30-35? 57. 33-29!! and 58. 31-27 =) and the threat 30-35-40-44-49 cannot be answered in time.
2.2) 55. 33-29 (still a losing move but with a nasty trick) 34x23 56. 22-17
2.2.1) 56... 30-34? (this seemingly strong move is a draw) 57. 28-22 34-39 58. 45-40 19-24 (58... 23-29? 59. 27-21! =) 59. 17-12!! (59. 27-21? B+) 18x7 60. 22-17 and even with 2 men behind white still obtains a draw.
2.2.2) 56... 30-35!! (delays getting a king but anticipates catching a future white king on 2) 57. 28-22 19-24 58. 17-12 18x7 59. 22-17 13-19 60. 17-11 9-14 61. 11x2 23-28 62 32x23 19x28 63. 2x30 35x24 B+
After a little research in the Volkskrant archives, it turns out that this game was also analyzed by Sijbrands in the Volkskrant of 14/02/1998. His analysis is essentially correct, but the estimated win in the variation 52. 43-39 29-34 53. 39-33 is for the wrong reasons. The suggested move 53... 30-35 is actually a database draw, but according to Kingsrow 53... 4-9 still saves the black win in that variation.

User avatar
Hanco Elenbaas
Posts: 18872
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2003 14:49

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Sat Jan 01, 2011 13:42

Image

User avatar
Hanco Elenbaas
Posts: 18872
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2003 14:49

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Sat Jan 01, 2011 13:46

Image

Image

User avatar
Hanco Elenbaas
Posts: 18872
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2003 14:49

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Sat Jan 01, 2011 22:44

Image

In Memoriam BABA SY (1935-1978) by Ton Sijbrands; 23 pages from Draughts Magazine DB, nov 1978 & january 1979, downloadable at:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/46141243/In-M ... v-Dec-1978

User avatar
Hanco Elenbaas
Posts: 18872
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2003 14:49

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Sun Jan 02, 2011 01:55

Last edited by Hanco Elenbaas on Sat Oct 15, 2011 06:30, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Hanco Elenbaas
Posts: 18872
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2003 14:49

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Tue Jan 04, 2011 13:51

Image
Slava Shchogolev, Baba Sy & fan, Moscow 1961.

louisdeconte
Posts: 2
Joined: Sat Oct 08, 2011 01:20
Real name: louis

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by louisdeconte » Fri Oct 14, 2011 20:13

Wow. Great pictures. Wonderful historical information. Hats off to everyone :D

Gerard de Groot
Posts: 350
Joined: Mon Jul 07, 2003 22:09
Location: the Netherlands

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Gerard de Groot » Sat Nov 19, 2011 14:50


User avatar
Hanco Elenbaas
Posts: 18872
Joined: Tue Apr 22, 2003 14:49

Re: New site BABA SY

Post by Hanco Elenbaas » Thu Mar 15, 2012 00:10

Govert Westerveld uploaded several videos about Baba Sy on his YouTube channel.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zo-63uLuj4[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6PZmEr0eyw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79o3GqluDBA[/youtube]

Post Reply