The Unofficial World Championships Of Computer Programs In International Draughts Blitz 2020

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Re: The Unofficial World Championships Of Computer Programs In International Draughts Blitz 2020

Post by BertTuyt » Mon Sep 07, 2020 23:14

Strange, as you also played (recently) a 158 games match Damage against Kingsrow with DXP.
The result ( 1 min/game):

Damage 15.3 x64 - Kingsrow 1.61 x64 0 wins, 5 losses, 153 draws, 0 unknowns

So I'm the first one to admit that Scan and Kingsrow are stronger, but i don't have a good explanation for the 2 losses today.

Bert

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Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Mon Sep 07, 2020 23:23

Bert, play but with Kingsrow version 1.62 with base DTW. Then you will see the difference between version 1.61 and 1.62.

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Post by BertTuyt » Mon Sep 07, 2020 23:35

Krzysztof, the recent version 15.4 plays in a 158 games match against Kingsrow 1.62 8 losses and 150 draws, with settings 2 min/75 moves (in the tournament i participate with the 15.3 version).

So you are right the new Kingsrow version is better , my expectation 15-20 ELO difference with Damage.
But although Scan and Kingsrow are better (and most likely also Sjende Blyn), the 2 losses today (very late in the middle game) are strange....

Bert

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Post by BertTuyt » Mon Sep 07, 2020 23:40

Krzystof, but in general i have deep respect for the way you organize the tournament.
I'm sure I'm not the only one, so thank you for that !!

Bert

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Post by Wieger Wesselink » Tue Sep 08, 2020 14:53

Yes, thanks a lot for your efforts Krzystof! I have watched several games, and things looked very professional. At first the beeping sound was a bit disturbing, but luckily you changed that later.

Wieger

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Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Sep 12, 2020 16:24

Regarding round 23 of the Scan - Tornado match - I sincerely apologize for the score 2-0. I just made a mistake in entering the result 1-1. I sincerely apologize to all interested persons.

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Post by Jelle Wiersma » Sat Sep 12, 2020 19:07

No problem, but considering the draw in the "Final standings - round 24" Scan should have 1 point less, and Tornado 1 point more.

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Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Sep 12, 2020 19:24

Jelle Wiersma wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 19:07
No problem, but considering the draw in the "Final standings - round 24" Scan should have 1 point less, and Tornado 1 point more.
In my opinion everything is well. But I will check again just in case. Everything checked and it's fine. I invite you to tomorrow for the last two rounds.

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Post by BertTuyt » Sat Sep 12, 2020 20:20

Jelle, as i struggle to replicate the tournament results with black, could you play a 158-games DXP match with SB against Damage.
If you both want to use 6p DB, then change the 5 for the bb-cache into 1.

bb-cache = 1
bb-size = 6
bb-preload = 6

Maybe with another program (as i normally use KR), some bugs better surface.
There seems to be something wrong with Damage, but could not find some clues so far.

In an older post (in the damage 15.3 threat) i described how to set up such a match.
Thanks for your support

here the link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pxqa6zc8bu5o ... WOqua?dl=0

Bert

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Post by Jelle Wiersma » Sat Sep 12, 2020 21:54

Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 19:24
Jelle Wiersma wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 19:07
No problem, but considering the draw in the "Final standings - round 24" Scan should have 1 point less, and Tornado 1 point more.
In my opinion everything is well. But I will check again just in case. Everything checked and it's fine. I invite you to tomorrow for the last two rounds.
I probably misunderstood your remark and it was a win instead of a draw, then it is ok

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Post by Jelle Wiersma » Sun Sep 13, 2020 09:18

BertTuyt wrote:
Sat Sep 12, 2020 20:20
Jelle, as i struggle to replicate the tournament results with black, could you play a 158-games DXP match with SB against Damage.
If you both want to use 6p DB, then change the 5 for the bb-cache into 1.

bb-cache = 1
bb-size = 6
bb-preload = 6

Maybe with another program (as i normally use KR), some bugs better surface.
There seems to be something wrong with Damage, but could not find some clues so far.

In an older post (in the damage 15.3 threat) i described how to set up such a match.
Thanks for your support

here the link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pxqa6zc8bu5o ... WOqua?dl=0

Bert
Although I don't really see what additional information that would deliver about your bug (Damage already played several matches against Kingsrow, and lost several games during this tournament), I'm willing to help you.
This way I can also honor your request earlier this year to play a match between Damage 15.3 and Sjende Blyn.

There are however two practical problems:
-I don't have 158 games match support yet
-I don't have an operational PC: A Windows update (build 2004) recently disabled all USB devices on my PC and I was unable to repair it with a repair stick (all methods failed)... - I currently use a laptop which cooling system is not suitable for heavy computation.

So what I can do first is to finish the 158 games match support.

Jelle

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Re: The Unofficial World Championships Of Computer Programs In International Draughts Blitz 2020

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sun Sep 13, 2020 16:23

Tournament " The Unofficial World Championships Of Computer Programs In International Draughts Rapid 2020 " ended with victory of the program Kingsrow by Edgar Gilber, second and third place was taken by Scan by Fabien Letouzey and Dragon by Michel Grimminck. Congratulations to Edgar Gilbert, Fabien Letouzey and Michel Grimminck. Many thanks to the other participants in the tournament.


For more information about the tournament, please visit the website

http://www.uwccpi2020.draughtsprograms.eu/
http://www.draughtsprograms.eu/uwccpi20 ... rbiterPro/

Krzysztof.

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Post by stepanov.anatolievich » Mon Sep 14, 2020 03:50

Incredible tournament, incredible work!

On what game and when will be the next Championship?

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Re: The Unofficial World Championships Of Computer Programs In International Draughts Blitz 2020

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Mon Sep 14, 2020 14:10

Jelle Wiersma wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 09:18
Although I don't really see what additional information that would deliver about your bug (Damage already played several matches against Kingsrow, and lost several games during this tournament), I'm willing to help you.
This way I can also honor your request earlier this year to play a match between Damage 15.3 and Sjende Blyn.

There are however two practical problems:
-I don't have 158 games match support yet
-I don't have an operational PC: A Windows update (build 2004) recently disabled all USB devices on my PC and I was unable to repair it with a repair stick (all methods failed)... - I currently use a laptop which cooling system is not suitable for heavy computation.

So what I can do first is to finish the 158 games match support.

Jelle
I warmly will also ask how you will do DXP games 158.

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Re: The Unofficial World Championships Of Computer Programs In International Draughts Blitz 2020

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Mon Sep 14, 2020 16:14

BertTuyt wrote:
Mon Sep 07, 2020 23:35
Krzysztof, the recent version 15.4 plays in a 158 games match against Kingsrow 1.62 8 losses and 150 draws, with settings 2 min/75 moves (in the tournament i participate with the 15.3 version).

So you are right the new Kingsrow version is better , my expectation 15-20 ELO difference with Damage.
But although Scan and Kingsrow are better (and most likely also Sjende Blyn), the 2 losses today (very late in the middle game) are strange....

Bert
How can you please share it Damage 15.4.

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