Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

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Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by Ed Gilbert » Fri Mar 30, 2012 22:55

A draughts match between Alexander Schwarzman and the program Maximus by Jan-Jaap van Horssen will take place on April 9 through 14. http://www.nkdammen2012.nl/index.php/ne ... schwarzman Any predictions?

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by BertTuyt » Sat Mar 31, 2012 00:22

I go for a draw :)

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by Rein Halbersma » Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:22

BertTuyt wrote:I go for a draw :)

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The private matches Maximus-Flits were more or less even IIRC, and Valneris-Flits in 2003 was also an even outcome. So the question is how much hardware improvement the last 9 years have given. It's just too bad that the 16Gb machine cannot be utilized fully with "only" 6 pc databases. Here the 8 pc database would have been deadly for any human. Nevertheless, I still predict a small win for Maximus (or "I will get my revenge, either in this life or the next").

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by Krzychumag » Sat Mar 31, 2012 23:21

I apologize that ask, it or was can on subject more information this game. What time for the party and whether it will be possible to see a match online.

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by TAILLE » Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:30

Hi,
Do somebody know what will be the computer configuration for this match?
Do we know what kind a financial arrangement was made in order for Alexander Schwarzman to accept such match? I guess it is not that motivating for Schwarzman because he has not very much to gain in this difficult confrontation.
Gérard

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by Krzychumag » Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:18

TAILLE wrote:Hi,
Do somebody know what will be the computer configuration for this match?
Do we know what kind a financial arrangement was made in order for Alexander Schwarzman to accept such match? I guess it is not that motivating for Schwarzman because he has not very much to gain in this difficult confrontation.
It most probably we will learn during the first game.

Hour of beginning of game.

9 april 2012 - 9.00 - first party
10 april 2012 - 16.00 - second party
11 april 2012 - 16.00 - third party
12 april 2012 - 16.00 - fourth party
13 april 2012 - 16.00 - fifth party
14 april 2012 - 10.00 - sixth party

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by BertTuyt » Sun Apr 01, 2012 15:46

Ed/Gerard, i have seen your posts, but not yet a prediction from your side.
I'm very interested in your 5 cents as well.

As I have stated before I guess it is /will be a draw.

I would like to add, that with the recent hardware (like dual socket 8-core Xeon Ivy Bridge CPU's, 16 memory slots with 8GByte each, a 512 GByte SSD for fast DB access) + a 64bit KingsRow 64bit version with 8P DB's , then my prediction would be a win for the computer.

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by Ed Gilbert » Sun Apr 01, 2012 16:53

My guess is that Maximus will win. Maximus will be adequately powered with the 6-piece database. The larger databases are great for indicating a definitive win or draw result, but with Kingsrow at least, they don't usually have much effect on the outcome in match games.

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by TAILLE » Sun Apr 01, 2012 17:44

Hi,

My problem is that I am rather unable to evaluate the maximus strategy power. My vote goes to Alexander Sxhwarzman for three reasons:
1) first of all if Alexander Schwarzman accepted this match, that means that he first studied thorougly how a computer plays. If I imagine that he trained himself against a program like Kingsrow then I hardly imagine Alexander Schwarzman can lose.
2) The number of games is very small so Alexander Schwarzman will not get tired. In addition he will be able to prepare some opening game that will give him a long strategy game that could be very difficult to evaluate by the computer.
In any case it is a very interesting event!
3) Alexander Schwarzman is of course very strong to detect a combinaison and if he is in good form I doubt he could make a tactical error against a opponent known as very strong in that area.

Gérard
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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by Krzychumag » Sun Apr 01, 2012 19:58

This way I am thinking why he is playing from Maximus, rather than with other program.

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by Wishmaster » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:08

Krzychumag wrote:Hour of beginning of game.

9 april 2012 - 9.00 - first party
10 april 2012 - 16.00 - second party
11 april 2012 - 16.00 - third party
12 april 2012 - 16.00 - fourth party
13 april 2012 - 16.00 - fifth party
14 april 2012 - 10.00 - sixth party
For which timezone are these times?
everytime is a good time to take your time to have a good time

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by jj » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:46

Wishmaster wrote:
Krzychumag wrote:Hour of beginning of game.

9 april 2012 - 9.00 - first party
10 april 2012 - 16.00 - second party
11 april 2012 - 16.00 - third party
12 april 2012 - 16.00 - fourth party
13 april 2012 - 16.00 - fifth party
14 april 2012 - 10.00 - sixth party
For which timezone are these times?
The first game also starts at 16.00.
The time zone is Central European Summer Time (Amsterdam).
Other questions I'm happy to answer after the match...

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by BertTuyt » Sun Apr 08, 2012 13:28

JJ, suc6 with the match.
Remember Deep Blue :)

Lets go for another milestone in the man-machine battle !!

Bert

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by BertTuyt » Mon Apr 09, 2012 22:57

First game Maximus - Schwarzman 1 - 1 !!

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Re: Maximus vs. Schwarzman draughts match

Post by Krzychumag » Tue Apr 10, 2012 21:39

Second game Schwarzman - Maximus 2 - 0.

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