Internet engine matches

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BertTuyt
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by BertTuyt » Sat Dec 15, 2012 23:13

Herewith some Kingsrow - Flits Match results.

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Match                             W     L      D      ELO
Kingsrow 1 Min  - Flits 1 Min     29    7     122     49
Kingsrow 10 Min - Flits 1 Min     48    2     108     104
Kingsrow 1 Min  - Flits 10 Min    7     19    132     -26
So Flits ELO increases with 49 + 26 = 75 , whereas the increase for Kingsrow is 104 - 49 = 55

For those interested the match games.

Bert
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Krzysztof Grzelak
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Fri Jan 17, 2014 17:44

Match KINGSROW - DRAGON

Kingsrow 1.54 vs. Dragon 4.3.1 (64 bit standaard) 12 wins, 12 losses, 133 draws, 1 unknowns

Kingsrow

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 12000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Pondering = Off
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Dragon

Opening Book = Tournament Book
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 2000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Ponder= Off
Time = 1 Min / 100 Move
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Jan 18, 2014 14:25

Match KINGSROW - DRAGON

Kingsrow 1.54 vs. Dragon 4.3.1 (64 bit standaard) 9 wins, 7 losses, 141 draws, 1 unknowns

Kingsrow

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 12000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Pondering = Off
Time = 5 Min / 100 Moves

Dragon

Opening Book = Tournament Book
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 2000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Ponder= Off
Time = 5 Min / 100 Move
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BertTuyt
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by BertTuyt » Sat Jan 18, 2014 18:20

Thanks for this interesting match initiative , and thanks for sharing the results.

What was the hardware used for this match,did the 2 programs run on 1 machine?

Last but not least it would help me if you would include the match result in your post, so I don't need to browse through all games.

Bert

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Jan 18, 2014 18:50

BertTuyt wrote:Thanks for this interesting match initiative , and thanks for sharing the results.

What was the hardware used for this match,did the 2 programs run on 1 machine?

Last but not least it would help me if you would include the match result in your post, so I don't need to browse through all games.

Bert
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BertTuyt
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by BertTuyt » Sat Jan 18, 2014 19:28

Thanks for the information, "sounds"" like an expensive Notebook...

Bert

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Jan 18, 2014 20:22

BertTuyt wrote:Thanks for the information, "sounds"" like an expensive Notebook...

Bert
Yes. Bought to games in tournaments in draughts. I would like yet to buy me disk hard Samsung 840 EVO SSD 1TB .But still he is expensive in Poland.

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by BertTuyt » Tue Jan 21, 2014 00:23

Yes. Bought to games in tournaments in draughts. I would like yet to buy me disk hard Samsung 840 EVO SSD 1TB .But still he is expensive in Poland.
Good choice. This one is also on my "shopping list".
In Holland the price is around 549 euro.
It would be perfect for storing a 8p Database, with superfast access as a result.

I now use a smaller SSD for my 7p Database, and it is really helpful..

Bert

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Walter » Tue Jan 21, 2014 13:24

BertTuyt wrote:
Yes. Bought to games in tournaments in draughts. I would like yet to buy me disk hard Samsung 840 EVO SSD 1TB .But still he is expensive in Poland.
Good choice. This one is also on my "shopping list".
In Holland the price is around 549 euro.
It would be perfect for storing a 8p Database, with superfast access as a result.

I now use a smaller SSD for my 7p Database, and it is really helpful..

Bert
There is always a faster option just around the corner :D

My wish list for a 2015 draughts machine:

72-Cores Intel Knights Landing CPU
512GB RAM
1TB PCIe SSD memory card (like OCZ RevoDrive 3 X2)

Walter

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Tue Jan 21, 2014 22:14

Walter have a question to You. Whether You have a program Dragon.

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Sat Apr 05, 2014 23:09

Match KINGSROW - DRAGON (3-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.54 vs. Dragon 4.4.0 (64 bit standaard) 7 losses ,6 wins, 144 draws, 1 unknowns

Kingsrow

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 12000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Pondering = Off
Time = 5 Min / 100 Moves

Dragon

Opening Book = Tournament Book
HashTable Size = 512 MB
DB cache Size = 2000 MB, 6P
CPU 4 = 8 cores
Ponder= Off
Time = 5 Min / 100 Move
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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Catherine » Tue Apr 08, 2014 12:57

Hi dear programmer, thiese results that there mean that Dragon is stronger than Kingsrow? IT SEEN THAt the calculation strenght and speed of Dragon is better than ever.

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by MichelG » Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:43

Catherine wrote:Hi dear programmer, thiese results that there mean that Dragon is stronger than Kingsrow? IT SEEN THAt the calculation strenght and speed of Dragon is better than ever.
Dragon and Kingsrow are much closer in strength than these results appear to show. I think dragon is winning the 1 minute match 25 to 3, because kingsrow is not configured optimally. It is probably the hash table; 512 MB hash is too much at this level on Krzysztof's hardware. I don't know what the best value is for kingsrow, but with 128 MB hash for each minute of gametime it should do better.

In dragon 4.4, it is no longer possible to assign too much space for hashtables since the hashtable size is automatically set to the optimal amount for the hardware it is running on.

Michel

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Krzysztof Grzelak » Wed Apr 09, 2014 13:28

MichelG wrote:
Catherine wrote:Hi dear programmer, thiese results that there mean that Dragon is stronger than Kingsrow? IT SEEN THAt the calculation strenght and speed of Dragon is better than ever.
Dragon and Kingsrow are much closer in strength than these results appear to show. I think dragon is winning the 1 minute match 25 to 3, because kingsrow is not configured optimally. It is probably the hash table; 512 MB hash is too much at this level on Krzysztof's hardware. I don't know what the best value is for kingsrow, but with 128 MB hash for each minute of gametime it should do better.

In dragon 4.4, it is no longer possible to assign too much space for hashtables since the hashtable size is automatically set to the optimal amount for the hardware it is running on.

Michel
Obviously that oneself made a mistake, for what warmly apologize Ed. What to short times this adjust for both programmes 256 mb. It thanks also Michel that turned on then attention.

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Re: Internet engine matches

Post by Catherine » Wed Apr 09, 2014 14:21

Thank Michel for the precision, Kingsrow is the best program to test another. And it is clear that beat it mean that Dragon has been improved since 2.4 version. Thank for all the job that you, ED, Bert and the others doing for us, fans of software. Thank again and God bless you all!!!

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