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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 21:16 
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Real name: Krzysztof Grzelak
Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
bb-size = 7
bb-preload = 6


This means that the program has a 7 figure base loaded (bb-size = 7), but uses 6 figure base (bb-preload = 6). Everything should be clear now.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 21:20 
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Real name: Coulibaly Sidiki
Sidiki wrote:
Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Sidiki wrote:
So Scan has 7 egdb?


Not because the engine does not have a 7 figure base only 6.


You put bb-size=7, ok


Have you Damage 14.0?


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 21:31 
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Sidiki wrote:
Have you Damage 14.0?


That's what you. I will write something I think, but I'm not sure how much truth is in it. Bert, the version he won with the Scan program did not make it available to anyone. Why I think so. Because I played a few games with Scan and the program was lost every time. I will write again at the end that this is my supposition and I can be wrong.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 21:45 
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Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Sidiki wrote:
Have you Damage 14.0?


That's what you. I will write something I think, but I'm not sure how much truth is in it. Bert, the version he won with the Scan program did not make it available to anyone. Why I think so. Because I played a few games with Scan and the program was lost every time. I will write again at the end that this is my supposition and I can be wrong.

OK, that's fine


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 21:52 
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Sidiki wrote:
Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Sidiki wrote:
Have you Damage 14.0?


That's what you. I will write something I think, but I'm not sure how much truth is in it. Bert, the version he won with the Scan program did not make it available to anyone. Why I think so. Because I played a few games with Scan and the program was lost every time. I will write again at the end that this is my supposition and I can be wrong.

OK, that's fine


Please pick up PM.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2018 20:40 
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Match KINGSROW - SCAN (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60 vs. Scan 3.0 0 wins, 6 losses, 152 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60 x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 32 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 1
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 1
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves


Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro.


Attachments:
dxpgames.pdn [155.54 KiB]
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2018 19:04 
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Match KINGSROW - SCAN (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60 vs. Scan 3.0 1 wins, 4 losses, 153 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60 x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 64 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 1
Time = 3 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 1
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 3 Min / 100 Moves


Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro.


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dxpgames.pdn [153.22 KiB]
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2018 13:15 
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Match KINGSROW - SCAN (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60 vs. Scan 3.0 0 wins, 1 losses, 157 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60 x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 128 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 1
Time = 5 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 1
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 5 Min / 100 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro.


Attachments:
dxpgames.pdn [149.73 KiB]
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 07:38 
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Match KINGSROW - SCAN (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60 vs. Scan 3.0 0 wins, 0 losses, 158 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60 x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 256 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 1
Time = 10 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 1
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 10 Min / 100 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro.


Attachments:
dxpgames.pdn [150.2 KiB]
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 08:38 
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Real name: Fabien Letouzey
Hi Krzysztof,

Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Kingsrow 1.60 vs. Scan 3.0 0 wins, 0 losses, 158 draws, 0 unknowns

Is that the first time that a match ends with 100% draws? :)

Anyway, your tests also show what we already knew: the draw rate increases in slower games. So 2-move ballots are already too small for top programs.

Fabien.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 13:21 
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Match KINGSROW - SCAN (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60 vs. Scan 3.0 1 wins, 4 losses, 153 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60 x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 32 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 8
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves

Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 8
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 1 Min / 100 Moves


Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro.


Attachments:
dxpgames.pdn [152.7 KiB]
Downloaded 20 times
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 15:34 
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Fabien Letouzey wrote:
Hi Krzysztof,

Krzysztof Grzelak wrote:
Kingsrow 1.60 vs. Scan 3.0 0 wins, 0 losses, 158 draws, 0 unknowns

Is that the first time that a match ends with 100% draws? :)

Anyway, your tests also show what we already knew: the draw rate increases in slower games. So 2-move ballots are already too small for top programs.

Fabien.


Hi Fabien,

This is the first time I've met where all the draws are during the match of two great programs. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 17:09 
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Real name: Coulibaly Sidiki
Hi all
It seem that programs play better when threads are high. I have right or no ?

Thank.
Sidiki


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 07:15 
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Match KINGSROW - SCAN (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60 vs. Scan 3.0 1 wins, 2 losses, 155 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60 x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 64 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 8
Time = 3 Min / 100 Moves


Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 8
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 3 Min / 100 Moves


Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro


Attachments:
dxpgames.pdn [150.55 KiB]
Downloaded 13 times
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2018 06:49 
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Match KINGSROW - SCAN (2-move ballots)

Kingsrow 1.60a vs. Scan 3.0 0 wins, 0 losses, 158 draws, 0 unknowns

Kingsrow 1.60a x64

Opening Book = Best Moves
HashTable Size = 128 MB
DB cache Size = 25000 MB
The base ends = 8 Pieces
Threads = 8
Time = 5 Min / 100 Moves


Scan 3.0 x64

Variant = normal
Book = true
Book-ply = 4
Book-margin = 4
Threads = 8
Tt-size = 24
Bb-size = 6
Time = 5 Min / 100 Moves

Match played on a computer with the equipment.

Processor - AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X
Hard disc - SSD Samsung 840 Evo 1 TB
Memory of frames - 32 GB DDR4 2400
System - Windows 10 64 bit Pro


Attachments:
dxpgames.pdn [148.59 KiB]
Downloaded 14 times
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