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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 00:12 
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I have just looked a bit this site. Very good idea to nalyse Game of the two best players of HAITI.

So Players from NETHERLANDS is very interested by Panamerican championship now !!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2004 22:30 
hi Jacques, these guys are not the 2 best haitian players,, no way,,, they are good of course,they're among the best


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Hello Claude,

I think they are the best of HAITI. Ricardo PIERRE and ALIX LOUIS are just less strong. But they have the means to beat the leaders in the future.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 00:10 
THEY are probably the best living in Haiti, but i know what i'm talking about , they are some other talented and genius haitian players living in the USA who are much stronger


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Where are you from Claude ?

Are you the same who plays here :www.vog.ru ?

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News from Raoul:

Sorry for the delay gentlemen!! Just back from Haïti. I planned to send the results from the last round and final standing after the closingceremony but it became the greatest, most beautiful and late closingceremomy I ever witnessed, just unimaginable!
Early Thursdaymorning we planned to leave Cap-Haïtien but because of all kind of problems we only succeeded in leaving this morning via Miami.
I will send results and final-score tomorrow or Sunday, anyway:

1. Anthony Alexandre * Champion!!
2. Louicéus Shang Wong
3. Ricardo Pierre
4. Alix Louis
5. Fabrice Maggiore


In the last round Alexandre beat Cherenfant, while Shang Wong made a draw with Gilles, Lorevil beat Pierre, Marcos won from Britt, Simon draw with Louis, Maughn draw with Magiorre.
Until tomorrow or Sunday.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 01:25 
yes i am the same who plays in vog, i'm also from Haiti but i live in the USA. i know Alexandre very well, we play live in Haiti, he's a lot stronger than Wrong.


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Claude wrote:

hi Jacques, these guys are not the 2 best haitian players,, no way,,, they are good of course,they're among the best

THEY are probably the best living in Haiti, but i know what i'm talking about , they are some other talented and genius haitian players living in the USA who are much stronger

yes i am the same who plays in vog, i'm also from Haiti but i live in the USA. i know Alexandre very well, we play live in Haiti, he's a lot stronger than Wrong.

According to Alexander Schwarzman, Kees Thijssen and Spély Laventure they are about the same strength, Alexandre and Shang Wong.
I'm curious what's the name of these even better Haïtians in the USA.
What is the age of Alexandre and Shang Wong, can you tell us more about them, Claude?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 03:44 
Wrong is a bit younger than Alexandre, both are in their 20's.


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I had said a few days ago that LOUIS GILLES would be the referee of this tournament !!! So he has been !!!

Congratulations to ANTHONY ALEXANDRE and LOUICEUS S.W for this terrific battle !!

Congratulations to RAOUL ALIAS for having sent results to the Draughts community.

Congratulations to HANCO, the best Draughts journalist of the WORLD !!



Please Claude tell us more about ANTHONY and LOUICEUS.

Where were they born (cities) ?

Where do they live now ? (cities) ?

When did they begin to play ?

Their honours ?

Etc ....

Qui sont aussi les autres Haïtiens vivant aux Etats-Unis ?

who are these others guys living in USA ?

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Classification is available here :

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 14:38 
i don't know much about these players but i know they are very young in their mid 20's. Wong is from cap-haitian where the tournament took place,Alexandre is likely from Port-au-Prince cause i've visited him over his house in the nation capital in 2001.When i was playing in Haiti in the 1980's and begining of 1990's these 2 were not even known back then. So it's very exciting to see how quickly they have developped and i wish them well in the upcoming worldcup


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Ronde 11 28-01-2004

W:55 8 Paulvin Simon - 9 Alix Louis 1 - 1
W:56 5 LaFontant Cherenfant - 1 Anthony Alexandre 0 - 2
W:57 4 Louis Gilles - 2 Louiceus Shang Wong 1 - 1
W:58 6 Ricardo Pierre - 11 Carlos Lorevil 0 - 2
W:59 7 Lelio Marcos - 10 Eugene Britt 2 - 0
W:60 3 Fabrice Maggiore - 12 Dickson Maughn 1 - 1


Final score

01. Anthony Alexandre 11 - 17
02. Louiceus Shang Wong 11 - 16
03. Ricardo Pierre 11 - 13
04. Alix Louis 11 - 13
05. Fabrice Maggiore 11 - 13
06. Lelio Marcos 11 - 12
07. Carlos Lorevil 11 - 11
08. LaFontant Cherenfant 11 - 10
09. Dickson Maughn 11 - 10
10. Louis Gilles 11 - 9
11. Paulvin Simon 11 - 5
12. Eugene Britt 11 - 3





12th PAN AMERICAN DRAUGHTS CHAMPIONSHIP
15 – 28 January 2004
28 january 2004
Round 11

Wit : Paulvin Simon 1 Time: 1 uur 59 min.
Zwart: Alix Louis 1 Time: 2 uur 27 min.

01. 33-28 18-23 02. 39-33 17-21 03. 31-26 11-17 04. 44-39 12-18 05. 50-44 20-24 06. 37-31 14-20 07. 34-30 20-25 08. 41-37 25x34 09. 40x20 15x24 10. 44-40 17-22 11. 26x17 22x11 12. 39-34 10-15 13. 31-27 07-12 14. 37-31 11-17 15. 46-41 06-11 16. 41-37 01-06 17. 34-30 17-22 18. 28x17 12x21 19. 33-28 05-10 20. 38-33 21-26 21. 42-38 10-14 22. 47-42 08-12

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23. 49-44 12-17 24. 40-34 17-22 25. 28x17 11x22 26. 33-28 22x33 27. 38x20 15x24 28. 44-39 02-08 29. 39-33 24-29 30. 33x24 08-12 31. 24-20 14x25 32. 42-38 09-14 33. 34-29 25x34 34. 29x40 19-24 35. 43-39 14-19 36. 40-34 04-09 37. 34-30 09-14 38. 45-40 23-28 39. 32x23 18x29 40. 27-22 16-21 41. 22-17 03-08 42. 38-32 14-20 43. 39-34 20-25 44. 34x14 25x45 45. 14-10 12-18 46. 17-11 06x17 47. 10-05 18-22 48. 05-23 45-50 49. 23-10 08-12 50. 48-42 13-18 51. 10-04 21-27 52. 32x21 24-30 53. 35x24 22-28 54. 04x06 26x17 55. 06x33 50x46 56. 24-20

Wit : Lafontant Cherenfant 0 Time: 1 uur 57 min.
Zwart: Athony Alexandre 2 Time: 1 uur 33 min.

01. 32-28 18-23 02. 34-29 23x32 03. 37x28 19-24 04. 41-37 14-19 05. 46-41 20-25 06. 29x20 25x14 07. 37-32 12-18 08. 41-37 07-12 09. 40-34 15-20 10. 44-40 20-24 11. 50-44 01-07 12. 34-30 18-23 13. 31-27 17-21 14. 30-25 12-18 15. 40-34 07-12 16. 34-30 21-26 17. 44-40 10-15 18. 39-34 14-20

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19. 25x14 09x20 20. 30-25 24-30 21. 25x14 30x39 22. 43x34 19x10 23. 28x19 13x24 24. 34-30 02-07 25. 30x19 18-22 26. 27x18 12x14 27. 36-31 15-20 28. 31-27 20-24 29. 32-28 14-19 30. 37-32 10-14 31. 40-34 05-10 32. 34-30 07-12 33. 49-44 03-09 34. 44-40 09-13 35. 48-43 12-18 36. 43-39 18-23 37. 30-25 04-09 38. 40-34 08-12 39. 34-30 13-18 40. 42-37 09-13 41. 39-34 10-15 42. 47-42 11-17 43. 34-29 23x34 44. 30x39 18-23 45. 45-40 17-21 46. 40-34 12-18 47. 34-30 06-11 48. 39-34 11-17 49. 34-29 23x34 50. 30x39 18-23 51. 39-34 13-18 52. 34-30 15-20

Wit : Ricardo Pierre 0 Time: 1 uur 24 min.
Zwart: Carlos Lorevil 2 Time: 1 uur 38 min.

01. 34-29 17-22 02. 40-34 11-17 03. 45-40 06-11 04. 50-45 01-06 05. 31-26 20-25 06. 37-31 14-20 07. 41-37 20-24 08. 29x20 25x14 09. 32-27 15-20 10. 37-32 20-25 11. 46-41 19-23 12. 41-37 14-19 13. 34-29 23x34 14. 39x30 25x34 15. 40x29 19-23 16. 44-40 23x34 17. 40x29 10-14 18. 47-41 14-19 19. 49-44 04-10 20. 43-39 10-14 21. 48-43

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21...05-10 22. 35-30 19-23 23. 30-25 23x34 24. 39x30 13-19 25. 33-29 08-13 26. 45-40 19-23 27. 40-35 23x34 28. 30x39 13-19 29. 38-33 09-13 30. 32-28 03-08 31. 42-38 17-21 32. 28x17 21x32 33. 37x28 11x22 34. 28x17 12x21 35. 26x17 07-11 36. 41-37 11x22 37. 38-32 06-11 38. 32-27 19-23 39. 43-38 08-12 40. 38-32 23-29 41. 33x24 22-28 42. 32x23 18x20 43. 37-32 20-24 44. 44-40 12-18 45. 40-34 14-19 46. 34-30 11-17 47. 39-33 10-14 48. 32-28 16-21 49. 27x16 18-23 50. 31-26 23x32 51. 26-21 17x26 52. 16-11 32-37 53. 11-06 37-42 54. 33-28 24-29 55. 30-24 29x20 56. 06-01 42-47 57. 28-22 20-24 58. 22-17 24-30 59. 35x24 47x15 60. 01-06 15-38 61. 36-31 26x37 62. 25-20 14x25 63. 06-11 37-41 64. 17-12 41-47 65. 11-06

Wit : Louis Gilles 1 Time: 2 uur 36 min.
Zwart: Louiceus Shang Wong 1 Time: 2 uur 22 min.

01. 34-30 17-21 02. 31-26 11-17 03. 30-25 07-11 04. 33-28 01-07 05. 39-33 21-27 06. 32x21 16x27 07. 44-39 19-23 08. 28x19 14x23 09. 25x14 10x19 10. 50-44 05-10 11. 33-29 23x34 12. 40x29 10-14 13. 37-31 19-23 14. 31x22 23x34 15. 39x30 17x28 16. 38-32 28x37 17. 41x32 15-20 18. 30-25 20-24

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19. 42-38 11-17 20. 44-39 06-11 21. 39-33 18-23 22. 46-41 12-18 23. 33-28 13-19 24. 41-37 07-12 25. 36-31 02-07 26. 31-27 24-29 27. 38-33 29x38 28. 48-42 11-16 29. 42x33 17-21 30. 26x17 12x21 31. 45-40 14-20 32. 25x14 09x20 33. 40-34 20-24 34. 43-39 08-13 35. 47-42 07-12 36. 42-38 03-09 37. 34-30 09-14 38. 30-25 04-10 39. 49-44 10-15 40. 44-40 23-29 41. 28-22 18-23 42. 33-28 21-26 43. 39-33 15-20 44. 22-17 12x21 45. 27-22 21-27 46. 22x31 13-18 47. 40-34 29x40 48. 35x44 16-21 49. 44-40 18-22 50. 28x17 21x12 51. 31-27 12-17 52. 40-35 23-29 53. 32-28 29-34 54. 27-21 17-22 55. 28x17 19-23 56. 21-16 14-19 57. 25x14 19x10 58. 17-11 24-30 59. 35x24 34-40 60. 11-06 40-44 61. 38-32 44-50 62. 06-01 50x22 63. 01x34 22-31 64. 34-29 31x48 65. 16-11 10-14 66. 32-27 48-43 67. 27-22 26-31 68. 11-06 43-27 69. 29-18 27-16 70. 06-01 31-37 71. 18-40 37-41 72. 40-35 16-49 73. 22-17 41-46

Wit : Lelio Marcos 2 Time: 1 uur 30 min.
Zwart: Eugene Britt 0 Time: 1 uur 10 min.

01. 33-28 18-22 02. 38-33 20-25 03. 31-26 14-20 04. 37-31 10-14 05. 41-37 05-10 06. 46-41 20-24 07. 34-29 24-30 08. 35x24 19x30 09. 40-34 14-20 10. 45-40 30-35 11. 50-45 13-19 12. 42-38 19-24 13. 47-42 09-13 14. 32-27 04-09 15. 27x18 12x32 16. 37x28 17-22 17. 28x17 11x22 18. 38-32 07-11 19. 43-38 02-07 20. 49-43 07-12 21. 41-37 12-17 22. 32-28 10-14 23. 37-32 01-07

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24. 42-37 24-30 25. 48-42 07-12 26. 29-23 14-19 27. 23x14 12-18 28. 32-27 20-24 29. 28-23 18x29 30. 34x23 09x20 31. 27x09 03x14 32. 37-32 14-19 33. 23x14 20x09 34. 40-34 09-14 35. 32-28 14-19 36. 28-23 19x28 37. 33x22 17x28 38. 26-21 16x27 39. 31x33 11-17 40. 38-32 06-11 41. 43-38 08-13 42. 42-37 11-16 43. 33-28 24-29 44. 34x23 30-34 45. 39x30 25x34 46. 36-31

Wit : Frabrice Maggiore 1 Time: 2 uur 59 min.
Zwart: Dickson Maughn 1 Time: 2 uur 41 min.

01. 32-28 17-21 02. 31-26 19-23 03. 28x19 14x23 04. 26x17 12x21 05. 35-30 07-12 06. 30-25 11-17 07. 25x14 10x19 08. 37-32 01-07 09. 41-37 17-22 10. 34-29 23x34 11. 40x29 07-11 12. 32-28 21-26 13. 28x17 11x22 14. 46-41 04-10 15. 37-32 02-07 16. 41-37 10-14 17. 45-40 14-20 18. 40-34 05-10 19. 44-40 10-14 20.

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29-23 19x28 21. 32x23 18x29 22. 34x23 16-21 23. 50-44 20-25 24. 40-34 06-11 25. 33-29 14-19 26. 23x14 09x20 27. 29-23 13-18 28. 44-40 18x29 29. 34x23 08-13 30. 39-34 03-09 31. 43-39 11-16 32. 49-44 09-14 33. 38-33 13-19 34. 33-29 19x28 35. 29-24 20x29 36. 34x32 21-27 37. 32x21 26x17 38. 36-31 16-21 39. 31-26 22-28 40. 42-38 21-27 41. 39-34 17-22 42. 44-39 15-20 43. 38-33 20-24 44. 47-42 07-11 45. 42-38 11-17 46. 48-42 14-19 47. 38-32 27x29 48. 34x32 19-23 49. 39-33 25-30 50. 37-31 12-18 51. 42-38 23-29 52. 40-35 30-34 53. 32-27 18-23 54. 27x18 23x12 55. 31-27 34-39 56. 33x44 29-34 57. 38-33 34-40 58. 44-39 40-45 59. 33-28 24-29 60. 35-30 29-33 61. 28-22 17x28 62. 27-21 33x44 63. 21-17 12x21 64. 26x17 44-49 65. 17-12 49-35 66. 30-25 45-50 67. 12-07 50-45 68. 07-02


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 19:47 
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Message from Raoul:
It certainly was a magnificent tournament. The pictures from Hensley which are on the FMJD-site
http://fmjd.org/bb/album_cat.php?cat_id=7
are not from the tournament but from our visit to Haïti/Cap-Haïtien in early November.
In these days one also played the first rounds from the national championship/qualification Pan-Am. The championship ended in the third week of November.
Louicéus Shang Wong became champion, Alix Louis 2nd, Ricardo Pierre 3rd and Anthony Alexandre finished on the fourth place and obtained a standby-place for the Pan-Am.

At the drawing lots on January 15th Alexandre and Cherenfant were allowed to stand in and Alexandre drew lotnumber 1.
then he said in the microphone: "I am number one I am the Champion" and he kept his word.
Something about Hensley's pictures http://fmjd.org/bb/album_cat.php?cat_id=7

Picture 17 A: Image
beside me are standing Louicéus Shang Wong, Spély Laventure (ex-president Haïtian Draughts Federation), José Ulysse, Anthony Alexandre and an unknown person.

Picture 29 A: Image
sitting beside me Spély Laventure

Picture 31A:
beside me Anthony Alexandre and with draughtsboard Ricardo Pierre

Picture 32A:
beside me José Ulysse, the sponsor, a real cool and easy millionaire.


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Thanks again to Patrick Kopp and Jacques Permal!!
All games from the 12th Pan Am are now in EntryDambo-applet on
http://membres.lycos.fr/dammeur/pdn/pan_american.htm

Jan ten Brink, Tukkerjtb, Webmaster from Hiltex Amsterdam made his computerprograms analyse the Loicéus Shang Wong and Anthony Alexandre-games.
Go to:
http://www.damclubhiltex.nl/applets/
Click on the 8th link left, Toernooien.
Then above you'll see 'applets' and 'javascript' 'Alexandre' and 'Shang Wong'.
In 'javascript' you'll find what Tukkerjtb got out of his computerprograms concerning the games of Anthony Alexandre and Louicéus Shang Wong.


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